Magnesium Content of Engine Fan?
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Powdercoated - yes, problems - no. I gently heated them to allow outgassing, then powdercoated being careful keep the part temperature as low as the powdercoat allowed. I watched the clock and temperature carefully using an infrared temp sensor. Check proper baking temp with powder manufacturer. Mine may have been 325 degrees, but can't remember right now. Did the valve covers and timing covers at the same time. (the old "while you are in there" syndrome.... it's an incurable disease, I swear it is...)
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IrocMan,
I think you're probably right (and I'll be the first to say my estimation methods allowed for at least 5-10% error in the density). On further research I found that some of the most common Mg alloys that are used for cast parts are:
AZ91
9.0 % Al 0.7 % Zn 0.13 % Mn
General casting alloy
Good castability, good mechanical properties at T<150ºC.
AM60
6.0 % Al 0.15% Mn
High pressure die casting alloy
Greater toughness and ductility than AZ91, slightly lower strength. Often preferred for automotive structural applications.
ZE41
4.2 % Zn 1.2 % RE 0.7 % Zr
Specialist casting alloy
Rare earth addition improves creep strength at elevated temperatures. Pressure tight.
and
AS41
4.2 % Al 1.0 % Si
General casting alloy
Better creep resistance than AZ91 at elevated temperatures but lower strength.
These range from 5-10% aluminum and other metals so it could be any one (or none) of these.
In any case, as I said,it doesn't really matter exactly what it's made of, but only if it will cause problems if it is heated to powder coat the part. Still looking for a more definitive answer on this...
anyone...
Jim
I think you're probably right (and I'll be the first to say my estimation methods allowed for at least 5-10% error in the density). On further research I found that some of the most common Mg alloys that are used for cast parts are:
AZ91
9.0 % Al 0.7 % Zn 0.13 % Mn
General casting alloy
Good castability, good mechanical properties at T<150ºC.
AM60
6.0 % Al 0.15% Mn
High pressure die casting alloy
Greater toughness and ductility than AZ91, slightly lower strength. Often preferred for automotive structural applications.
ZE41
4.2 % Zn 1.2 % RE 0.7 % Zr
Specialist casting alloy
Rare earth addition improves creep strength at elevated temperatures. Pressure tight.
and
AS41
4.2 % Al 1.0 % Si
General casting alloy
Better creep resistance than AZ91 at elevated temperatures but lower strength.
These range from 5-10% aluminum and other metals so it could be any one (or none) of these.
In any case, as I said,it doesn't really matter exactly what it's made of, but only if it will cause problems if it is heated to powder coat the part. Still looking for a more definitive answer on this...
anyone...
Jim
Although the general rule is as described above and i would agree powder coating and polishing are not recommended. A proper chemical conversion should be used prior to painting usually one of several DOW treatments. These can be found per documents MIL-M-3171 superseded by AMS-M-3171 which is primarily the same document. A decent paint should work but for maximum longevity I recommend using one of the Acid etches prior to painting. If not just make sure the paint is durable and hard with proper coverage and curing time.
As far as powder coating temperatures it is usually not an issue. Powder coating requires temperatures below 400 degrees. Annealing a part occurs at around 500+ for more than an hour. Most alloys like AZ91 require a T6 solution and artificial age temperatures held constant at around 770 degrees for 16-24 hours followed by air quench and artificial age of 425 degrees for around 4 hours. If done properly you should see mechanical properties around 18-20KSI yield 38-40 KSI tensile and roughly 3-5% elongation although required numbers are lower. ZE41AT5 is an alloy ideally suited for wheels since it is strong with a higher Yield than the aluminum based alloys. Most of the F1 wheels are made of this alloy.
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FWIW - I had mine painted soon after purchasing the car about 7 years ago...just now started showing some bubbles where the fan blades meet the center section...going to bead-blast and repaint Grand Prix White as before! ![Big Grin](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
The fan looked great for MANY MANY years and yes, had a few chips in it but that's going to be with any type of coating I would imagine, although powder coating would be more durable.
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The fan looked great for MANY MANY years and yes, had a few chips in it but that's going to be with any type of coating I would imagine, although powder coating would be more durable.
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FWIW - I had mine painted soon after purchasing the car about 7 years ago...just now started showing some bubbles where the fan blades meet the center section...going to bead-blast and repaint Grand Prix White as before! ![Big Grin](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
The fan looked great for MANY MANY years and yes, had a few chips in it but that's going to be with any type of coating I would imagine, although powder coating would be more durable.
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The fan looked great for MANY MANY years and yes, had a few chips in it but that's going to be with any type of coating I would imagine, although powder coating would be more durable.
Also another concern is once it shows bubbling the corrosion underneath might be more extensive than you realize.
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Hey Fred long time no see! That white car of mine behind your yellow one is having fan issues. I may give you a call in the next week or so for some guideance on how to get it off and replace the bearings on the altenator or fan itself depending which is bad.
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OK Jim, I'll be glad to help. I'll bring over the 993, I have the LPMM's on and it sounds nice. Or I'll bring the 964 so your's will have a twin to park next to..... If you need tools, you could bring it over to my shop. Something tells me you may have enough tools to do the job already. Either way, we could powdercoat a few parts while we are in there just for kicks.
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Sounds great Fred! We need to have another wrenching party only this time with my car
My fan has a chip out of it from hitting the surround so I am afraid I need to replace it also. I dont have a puller to get the fan off so if you have one of those that would be great.
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I do need to adjust the valves. Hmmmmmmm
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Hoes Donna doing?
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Jim, Donna's doing well, thanks. Her hair is growing back and she is regaining her strength. She is running 10 miles tomorrow morning. I'll ride the bike with her while she runs.
If your fan is chipped, I would recommend replacing it. We'll pull it and inspect it. I'm off next Friday, do you want to look at it then? I'll bring some tools and come over. Let me know.
If your fan is chipped, I would recommend replacing it. We'll pull it and inspect it. I'm off next Friday, do you want to look at it then? I'll bring some tools and come over. Let me know.