Question: Was the "turbo" body (widebody) on a naturally aspirated car an option from the factory for all years of the 964? Any years? Was it a separate "model"? Is there an option code to look for on the car to verify it is a factory job?

Is there a FAQ or Model Guide somewhere showing number produced with the turbo body?

I've been in love with the look forever, but finally started driving the cars and I don't think I can live with the engine characteristics of the turbo.

thanks,
steve

 

Steve,

I'm not sure of the specifics, but...

I believe all US 1994 C4's were widebodies.

Also, the American Roadster was available (don't remember which years), it it was a widebody, NA cabriolet.

Sorry, don't know the other answers, but I'll bet Adrian will when he logs in.

-- Melissa

 

America Roadsters were sold in 1992 (250 made).

All 1994 Carrera 4's were factory widebody.

In addition, there were supposedly 18 widebody Speedsters built in 1994, but no one seems to have ever actually seen one or a picture of one.

 

Dear Steve,
The answer to your first question is NO!. There were only four widebody models. I do not include the "customer specials". These have to be researched as individual units. I only know of two confirmed "spezial werke" 964s.
1992 model year 964 Carrera 2 Cab Turbolook (ROW)only
1992 model year 964 American Roadster (USA) only
1993 model year 911 Anniversary C4 (ROW) only
1994 model year 964 Carrera 4 Turbolook (USA) only
The option number is M491 which will usually only be found on the Turbolooks and not the special named versions because they have their own option number.
Yes this data is written down but you will have to wait another couple of months yet.
Beware widebody conversions that are claimed to be from the factory,
Ciao,
Adrian
911C4

 

Hallo
After the 30 Year Jubi model, you could get the C4
in Turbolook also ROW not only USA from 93-94.
There was a c2 Turbolook Convertible from 92 till End of Production in 94 for ROW .
There were no C 2 Turbolook Coupes at all .
harald

 

Dear Speedster,
I am afraid that is not correct all. 911 Anniversarys were built in model year 1993 and that was the first and the last widebody C4 for the ROW. Production of the 964 ended for the ROW in December 1993. The last widebodies for the ROW were the Turbo 3.6s.
The special TL C4 for the USA were built out of unused Turbo 3.3 chassis/bodies. This model was just to bridge the gap for the silly decision to delay entry of the 993 into the USA by a year. If you see any C4 TL and it does not carry the 30 Jahre identification then it is a fake. An aftermarket conversion.
Your statement on the C2 TLs is also incorrect. 750 were built in model year 1992 only. Deliveries may have slipped into model year 1993 by date only. First registration data can also be confusing. Some importing nations list the year of first registration on their documents not manufacture. Switzerland is one of these as is the UK.
I happen to have the complete 964 factory production data and you are simply not correct with your information. I normally would not say too much but data such as yours can lead to nasty tears and anguish for people thinking they are purchasing the genuine article and they actually are not.
Ciao,
Adrian
911C4

PS: 944s were still being delivered to some countries up to 2 years after production ended. I have seen people advertise a 1994 944.

 

Adrian
Oh well , i have ordered some Parts for my Friends Jubi ,it has a R Code ( 1994 )by checking this via Porsche it came out that the Car was produced in 1 /1994 and first sold in 2 /1994 .
We mismatched the number first so 2 Cars before that was a German C4 turbolook Coupe ( not Jubi )
You could have the Jubi only in Viola met. and later you could have the C4 TL in every Color ,this one here was Nacht Blau met.
i have had myself a 1993 (P -Code ) WTL Turbolook
Convertible,it was possible Produced in late 92
but was clearly a 93 (P ) Model.
I have a 1994 (R-Code) and according to some Books the Speedster was made only 1993, This car was produced on 21 Feb. 1994 . So much for the Books .
I dont want to be arrogant ,and I like the most Comments from you ,but i dont want to look like an Idiot.
If you need more information let me know and i find out the exact Numbers for you .
Best regards: harald

 

Adrian
Here is one more hint . Open the PET go to 964
Modell year 94 , Frontaxle, Driveshaft ,and it says Turbolook .
Open the 1993 Modell go to rearaxle and it says
-92 Turbo and the one below says 93 Turbolook .
The 93/94 Turbos are using the ones from the 3.6
Turbos.
regards: harald

 

Dear Speedster,
This is not about making anyone looking like an idiot. From your description I know what you have. However what you have might not have started life as what you have now. A perfect example of this, which took some investigating is the first RS Americas. The first RSAs were delivered to the USA as 1993 models. However it turned out that they were actually built in the 1992 production run. The first were built in Jan 1992 but they had P (1993 VINs).
Yes I would like the a photo (digital is fine) of the VIN as per the plate and the registration number of the Jubilee model. It should have the certification number showing which one of the 911 Anniversaries it was. I also would like a photo of the label under the hood. I would also like the engine serial numbers as well.
It may be possible that some of the 911 Anniversaries were actually built up later which is quite different from your first post. However I will know how this occurred when you provide me the data I asked for.
As for the colours for the 911 Anniversary again this statement is not quire accurate. I have photos of genuine 911 Anniversaries in the original violet, silver, gold and blue. The customer was able to change the colours. This was done to sell them. 1993 and 1994 were very bad sales years for the 964.
Now I was going to post a follow up but I will add it here instead.
964s were actually produced from three sources.
The factory production line
Spezial Werke
Weissach.
Now spezial werke was still delivering 964 projects started in 1990 in 1995.
Weissach often did the same but not as long. The 20 RS 3.8s were assembled out of various parts in Weissach. The Anniversary mode you are discussing and your own Cab TL I bet came out of Spezial Werke. Adjusting the VIN was quite common in Spezial Werke. However this can be confirmed when you give me the data I request. I have just discovered what is possibly the only 964 RSR which was built (assembled) at Weissach which was built road legal.
Porsche clearly define in their records that the Speedster was only built in model year 1994. Not in model year 1993.
Ciao,
Adrian
911C4

PS: I still make clear what I said first up. I have the Porsche production records and I can confirm my original statements. If anyone finds a TurboLook please let me know and we will check it out. The products many of which are unknown out of spezial werke are not recorded in these records. These special 964s are worth a huge amount of money and will not be found on ebay.

 

adrian
Because it is Sunday ,15 minutes before F1 and nothing else to do .here some Info on the Speedster,i have one myself among others ,so i have some literature too.
According to Boschen/ Barth "das grosse Buch der Porsche Typen" ,seite 688 und 698 and Alexander Knoll "das grosse Porsche 911 Buch " seite 178
and Christophorus 3/93 seite 8-10 the Speedster is definitiv a 1993 Production (P code) Car started in oktober 1992. Because they didnt sell
they made only some 1994 (R-code ) cars.
Here is a Picture of Boschen/ barth Book ,watch the Text. <a href="http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/Scanner001.jpg" target="_blank">http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/Scanner001.jpg</a>
Regards:harald
i also have the Original Sales Broschure from 2/93
on the other Cars i will get the necessary Info to you .
harald

 

Dear Harald,
I look forward to the data. Porsche production data only shows VINs allocated for model year 1994. Model releases often took place in October. I have never received any data from a P VIN Speedster owner. When you send me the data I need, I can review it and if I cannot find what I am looking for, I will go back and ask for these things to be explained. It is funny about October 1992 because I have the release data for the Turbo 3.6 and the 968CS but not the Speedster. Also remember the first 911SC cab was shown in 1980 and was AWD as a concept car. The second was shown in 1981 and it was not built for sale until 1983 model year. With your data I know what I am looking for and this will explain all. Please ensure you give me everything on the label under the trunk lid. This is why I would prefer a digital photgraph please,
Ciao,
Adrian
911C4

PS: I also have an October 1988 sales brochure for the C4. They did not roll off the production line until end of Feb beginning March 1989.