Over the next few months I will be asking a lot of crazy questions about the 964 but bare with me. I am in the market and want to narrow it down to what I want..

Will the Whale Tail from the 993 fit on the 964 in anyway? Has this been done? How much modification would have to be made?

Any input is appreciated. Thanks

 

I'm not sure whether the whale tail from a 993 will fit, but you'll have to replace the entire rear deck lid to fit any whale tail. This means you'll have to buy another rear deck lid and have it painted to match your car unless you can find one that already matches. Probably not a big deal since you'd have to have the whale tail painted anyways.

Good luck with the Porsche hunt. It's a great time to buy a 964 since the prices are so low.

Drew
92 C2

 

The RS Americas ('93 and a few '94 964s) came with the Carrera fixed tail standard. You can find out about the RSAs at <a href="http://www.rsamerica.net," target="_blank">www.rsamerica.net,</a> where there will be several for sale. I think the whale (911 Turbo) tail may provide a little too much rear downforce (or lift reduction) for the 964 without additional front downforce, but the Carrera tail seems to work ok on the 964 without additional front downforce.

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva"><strong>the Carrera tail seems to work ok on the 964 without additional front downforce.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">I've heard from several 964 owners with only the Carrera tail that the front end can get light at high speed, up around 140 mph. On the RS 3.8 and RSR 3.8, the factory did fit splitters on the front.

One option you can also look at is to use a fiberglass version of any of the tails that might be of interest. Several are designed to drop into the existing lid, which would save the expense of purchasing another lid. Currently I'm fitting a fiberglass Carrera tail, which drops right into the 964 grill opening nicely. I also fit a RUF front valance (pictures posted previously) to provide some aerodynamic balance on the track.

 

Bill and Smoovdowt: My car works ok with the OE RSA (Carrera) tail, but it probably would feel even more stable with a front splitter at 140 mph. I'm at an indicated 145 at the end of the back straight at Charlotte and entering NASCAR 3, and it feels stable enough. I don't watch the speedo, but passengers have reported our indicated speed at 140 through NASCAR 3 and 4. Even with the down force created by the banking, it takes force on the steering wheel to hold it down low coming out, so maybe a front splitter would help. The car also seems stable enough at the end of the straights at VIR and Summit Point where I think I must be approaching 140 (I'm not watching the speedo).

Smoovdowt: I don't know whether you plan to reach such high speeds in your future car; but you should attend to Bill's point about down force (lift reduction) balance at high speeds if you do. The 964 was the first car that the factory didn't also add a lower front lip to in order to balance the lift reduction provided by the Carrera tail. They said it wasn't needed on the RSA, which came standard with the Carrera tail. A 964 without the Carrera tail works ok at high speeds too. If you just want the tail in order to look racy, your next question should be what's the biggest wheel and tire combination you can fit.

 

Thanks for all the replies guys, def. come good information to digest. The reason for the tail is more of a cosmetic thing, I just really like the way the 993 tail looks, but it seems that the answer on this is a big no; dissapointing. Unless someone else has any input?

I suppose I could find another one (tail) I like, can anyone list some manufacturers or websites I might find a nice listing of tails?

3rd does anyone know who makes this tail?
<a href="http://www.motorportal.com/s_nugent_964_3.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.motorportal.com/s_nugent_964_3.jpg</a>
<a href="http://www.motorportal.com/s_nugent_964_2.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.motorportal.com/s_nugent_964_2.jpg</a>
<a href="http://www.motorportal.com/s_nugent_964_1.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.motorportal.com/s_nugent_964_1.jpg</a>

Any ideas of this tails effect on the car's handling?

 

Take a look at the 930S Slantnose tail. Now that looks hot. And the fact that they were $160K new there aren't many around. The fiberglass replica bolts through your existing lid (you drill holes). I haven't bought anything from these guys but look on nrauto.com. Also check out the previous threads on MA Shaw, I have bought his stuff and it's very good.

Have to do it just for looks because this is a big tail and it's made for a widebody. Widebody wings are not aerodynamic on narrowbody cars.

 

Apparently, the folks at <a href="http://www.vertexauto.com/" target="_blank">Vertex Auto</a> offer a 993 tail for the 964. Look under the "Body =&gt; Tails, Wings & Related" section. I've purchased various items from them and, while their service isn't the best, they do a decent job and have very competitive prices. I don't believe anyone else offers such an item and they also offer a Turbo Slantnose tail as pictured above.

I recommend you call Vertex and find out what's involved with fitting these items to a 964. Good luck.

 

Mike Shaw makes a fiberglass Carrera tail that fits nicely into the 964 grill opening, too. Includes the seal that goes between the tail and the body, too. <a href="http://www.mashaw.com" target="_blank">www.mashaw.com</a> (I'm in the process of putting one on my C2)

 

I have an MA Shaw RS America replica wing on my car (see the attached pics).

I did *not* replace the decklid - the MA Shaw RS America wing is designed to work with the factory 964 decklid. Most other wings will require you to drill holes in your decklid or replace your decklid with a 3.2 Carrera or 930 decklid, which then requires you to either adapt the hinges or replace your 964 hinges with RS America hinges.

The wing in your pictures is the 1994 Porsche 3.6 Turbo S "Flachbau" wing (see <a href="http://www.flachbau.com" target="_blank">http://www.flachbau.com</a> ). MA Shaw sells a replica of it - I think they call it the "930S" wing. I was considering it, but decided against it because it's designed for a widebody car and, IMHO, looks too big for a narrowbody car. If you decide to go with it, you'll have to replace your 964 decklid with a 3.2 Carrera or 930 decklid, since the wing's base doesn't line up with the opening in the 964 decklid.

[no affiliation with MA Shaw]

Good luck!

 

joey bagadonuts

and everyone else thank you for the replys and info...

I dont know if I am doing something wrong but I am not seeing the 993 tail for the 964..could you possibly link me directly? I thank you again

 

No problem. Here's the <a href="http://www.vertexauto.com/epcproductdetail.epc?cookieID=0T00VXYOV&subcatid=0035&catid=103&clientid =vertexauto.com&clientid=vertexauto.com" target="_blank">page (I hope),</a> but there isn't a picture. It's listed as the 993 Twin Turbo Tail - 993TRSW2. If you want to see a picture, you'll have to get Vertex's hard copy catalog, but it looks just like a 993 turbo tail.

This item has a separate part number for pre-964 911's, 964's as well as 993's, so it appars the wing was designed as an easy-install for various models. But again, you may want to call them to see if any significant modifications are required.

Let us know how it turns out if you take the plunge.