Notices
964 Forum 1989-1994
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Help! Replacing brake bits.

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 09-04-2004, 04:12 PM
  #1  
Rennen
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
 
Rennen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 762
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 6 Posts
Default Help! Replacing brake bits.

I've flushed out the system and I'm replacing the brake lines. I got the caliper side of the linde detached, but the car side of that line seems to be fused. Is there any trick to breaking that free? The threads don't happen to reverse or something do they? I've already partially rounded off the outside of the nut on the hard line and it won't budge. Maybe some penetrating oil will help?

I also can't seem to get the caliper bolt to loosten. That sucker is on tight! The lower caliper bolt appears to be inaccessable too. Do I need to take both caliper bolts off to change out the rotor or do I only need to take the top one off and roll the caliper out of the way?
Old 09-04-2004, 04:47 PM
  #2  
Bill Gregory
Technical Specialist
Rennlist
Lifetime Member
 
Bill Gregory's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: TX
Posts: 5,850
Likes: 0
Received 17 Likes on 14 Posts
Default

RedRS,

Sounds like you're working on the rear calipers, which require an extended 10mm hex wrench. You can use a regular allen hex key to take it off (with the help of a pair of pliars), however, you'll need the variety with a socket on the end in order to torque it back when reinstalling it. (One person said they cut off the curved part of an allen hex key, and then used a 10mm socket on that). That's the only way to get the rear calipers off.

On the brake lines, you should be using flare nut wrenches, which Sears, amongst others, sell. That will help prevent rounding the nuts. You can try some penetrating oil. I had one hard line between the caliper and rubber line that was very obstinant, which I ended up having to replace.
Old 09-04-2004, 05:10 PM
  #3  
Rennen
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
 
Rennen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 762
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 6 Posts
Default

Well, I managed to get the line off with a little help from my friend, the vice grips. Now I cannot get that damned caliper bolt loose from the carrier. I'm supposed to be taking the gold one with the round outer and the hex inner off, right?

Fortunately, I happen to have a socket 10mm hex key so that should work if I can get the proper torque on the sucker.
Old 09-04-2004, 05:48 PM
  #4  
Rennen
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
 
Rennen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 762
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 6 Posts
Default

Allright...making progress...I got the top hex bolt out. It just needed a little persuasion with a wrench on the hex key. I also figred out that the access to the bottom hex bolt is through a hole in the trailing arm. Why didn't you guys tell me that?

So now I can't seem to get enough torque on that bottom bolt. Going to let the penetrating oil sit for a while and try again.

Oh, do I need to pull the pads out before I lift the caliper or can I pull them out after I get the caliper off? If I need to pull the pads, do I need a Porsche pad puller? I don't have one of those yet.
Old 09-04-2004, 06:47 PM
  #5  
JasonAndreas
Technical Guru
Rennlist Member

 
JasonAndreas's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: USVI
Posts: 8,138
Received 112 Likes on 90 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by RedRS
Oh, do I need to pull the pads out before I lift the caliper or can I pull them out after I get the caliper off? If I need to pull the pads, do I need a Porsche pad puller? I don't have one of those yet.
If a lot of brake pad crud has built-up behind the spring plates on the caliper you'll probably have better luck pulling the pads with the caliper off the rotor. If you remove the caliper with the pads still in place make sure you push the pads into the caliper a tiny bit before you lift the caliper otherwise the pads will be grabbing the disc and you'll never get past the worn-in rotor lip around the outside edge of the rotor.
Old 09-04-2004, 08:21 PM
  #6  
Rennen
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
 
Rennen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 762
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 6 Posts
Default

OK, well I got one corner done but I broke two new pad sensors trying to get them pushed down into the pads, so I give up on those unless someone tells me they're really important. I'll check my wear regularly anyway. Can I just run without sensors or do I need to rig a jumper?
Old 09-04-2004, 08:42 PM
  #7  
Bill Gregory
Technical Specialist
Rennlist
Lifetime Member
 
Bill Gregory's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: TX
Posts: 5,850
Likes: 0
Received 17 Likes on 14 Posts
Default

Can I just run without sensors or do I need to rig a jumper?
You can run without sensors if you tie the two brake sensor wires together, at each wheel you want to bypass, which will bypass the brake pad warning system.
Old 09-04-2004, 08:59 PM
  #8  
Rennen
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
 
Rennen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 762
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 6 Posts
Default

OK, so I need to rig one of the sensor harnesses to do that, right? Just cut the sensors off and solder the two wires together and I'm good to go?
Old 09-04-2004, 11:58 PM
  #9  
Ragin' Bajan
Racer
 
Ragin' Bajan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Vancouver, BC
Posts: 298
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Actually, you should be able to just leave it as is ie tied off. The sensor is triggered when the plastic piece wears down and the (metal) rotor completes the circuit, thus triggering the warning light.
Old 09-05-2004, 08:06 AM
  #10  
Rennen
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
 
Rennen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 762
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 6 Posts
Default

See, that's the way I thought it worked and that I could just leave them unplugged. I'll try that and then jumper the sucker if that doesn't work.
Old 09-05-2004, 04:30 PM
  #11  
Tom W
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
Tom W's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Santa Rosa, CA
Posts: 4,483
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

When the sensor is worn it breaks the circuit, not completes it. If you simply unplug the sensors you will get a warning light. If you don't want to use the sensors and you don't want the idiot light on all the time, you must twist the two wires together to make a complete circuit, cover them with some electrical tape and plug the "jumper" back into the socket.
Old 09-06-2004, 04:09 AM
  #12  
Rich W
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
Rich W's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Arizona, USA
Posts: 223
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I do not believe that is correct.

I merely pulled the sensors from the pads and zip-tied them to the nearest available feature. I did not twist any wires together.

I do not have a warning light of any sort, nor have I ever regarding the brake pad wear sensor.
Old 09-06-2004, 09:33 AM
  #13  
Rennen
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
 
Rennen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 762
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 6 Posts
Default

I didn't see how they could maintin a circuit the whole time. The way I saw it, there was some metal part inside the pad that made contact with the rotor when the pad wore down and closed a circuit with the other sensor when you pressed on the brakes.
Old 09-06-2004, 09:50 AM
  #14  
botoo
Instructor
 
botoo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Central Wisconsin, USA
Posts: 208
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

No.. You don't have to twist the sensor wires together if they are not damaged too much. They wear down and break the circuit. If the circuit is not broken, they don't sense a problem. If they have worn down so much that the circuit is broken, you may have to do that wire twisting. There is nothing in the pad itself that triggers the warning. Sensors are not expensive and can be bought readily.
Rich
Old 09-06-2004, 04:46 PM
  #15  
Jeff Curtis
Race Car
 
Jeff Curtis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Virginia Beach, Va.
Posts: 3,706
Received 9 Likes on 9 Posts
Default

You do NOT have to tie the wires together, unplug them or anything, just remove them from the brake pads and tie them back...like this:


Quick Reply: Help! Replacing brake bits.



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 08:29 AM.