RayB_911

I've spent my eBay, CarSoup, Auto Traders... now Craigslist searching for nearly 15 years focused on 87'-92 911s. I was however, pretty much set on 88' Guards Red or Black Cabriolet driver. The first 5 - 8 years of my search was for only 87'-89' 3.2s. Almost jumped at my first one 5 years ago with a triple Black 89' Cab but it didn't feel right and was half a continent away from me in ND. After that I kicked my quest up a gear and started to look closer at the 964 including it my searches. I was interested in the safety features and power the 964 had with a classic style. I finally found the 911 meant for me to take care of, it was local and well cared for. After I drove my 91' Black C4 Cab, I knew it had been waiting for me to find it and after some contemplation I ended my quest for the 3.2 because everything felt right with the 964. My wife loves it, and was happy too that I could finally put my iPad, Car Ads and other apps away and stop checking every night. Silly her, now i spend the time deciding what I am going to do to it. AND reading Rennlist.

FeralComprehension

Disagree. I think that the fact that 964 issues are overblown and that the cars on either side of them cost more (or have their own troubles) will drive more people to look at the '64 as a viable alternative. You can already see some evidence of this- recall the stories of US-market cars being purchased/exported (imported?) by Europeans.

I'm not predicting skyrocketing values, but I am predicting an eventual increase once the strength of these cars becomes more widely understood.

creaturecat

After owning a 964 for 2 years, i would never go back to a 3.2.
The difference is incredible.

Laguna Seca

My '94 C2 blk/blk is the best of the best of the original 911! My '87 Carrera is much more of a handful, which I absolutely love when I'm feeling aggressive. The scare factor is a little less in the '94. The G50 Carrera is a classic and will continue to rise in value. The 964 is on it's way up. I can't believe some of the great deals that are out there on the 964! The 964 is a great combo of old school and new school...the last of the last if you will! Once Porsche shaved the front fenders, it changed everything! I'm not a big fan. I just can't seem to get used to the look...but visually, from the rear...gorgeous! Please correct me if I'm wrong, the 964 still has the lowest coefficient of drag of all 911's...I realize this is a very bold statement...any disagreements? Cheers.

BigMikeATL

To give perspective, I'm 50 and have loved the 911 since the late 70's, early 80's. I never thought of them as a really good looking car except the 930 Turbo. Then in '85, when the Turbo came back to the US, I was hooked, but of course couldn't afford one. For me, if it is a Carrera, it has to be a Turbo or Turbo look. I always liked the 964 since it hit the market in both Turbo and non-Turbo. The 993 was stunning when it first came out but even then I saw it fading from its roots. I never followed the 993 and until I bought a 964, didn't realize the two cars were so similar. No offense, but I think the 996 is the ugliest 911 ever built and even when I see a 996 Turbo, I just think to myself, "it's fast, but you have to drive the ugly duckling".

I wouldn't call the 964 a marvel of modern technology and I don't consider it any more to maintain than my 85.5 944 was to maintain. The biggest pain is the valve adjustment which I'm about to undertake but then again, I've been turning wrenches since my first mini-bike at age 10. It isn't a difficult job, just time consuming. If I didn't have advanced skills with cars (or anything mechanical for that matter), an old Porsche wouldn't be on my list of cars to own unless I had a lot of disposable income that I wanted to blow on a toy.

greg1990964

Well put Big Mike.

FeralComprehension

Truth. No way in hell could I afford to pay Fritz and Udo to spin wrenches on this thing.

niche

I never considered a 964. One fell on my lap and I can't believe how much I enjoy it. Really a great car... and it's a c4 on top of it!

I really dont believe the market is always right. Once upon a time 356s were the redheaded stepchildren. Now look. The 964 will definitely see a resurgence. Last of the classic look, last hand built 911 and way more fun than a 3.2. I had one of those too... meh.

mclaudio

I've owned (or extensively driven) every generation of 911. I prefer the driving feel/experience of a 964 over any other 911 variant especially the 80s Carreras and 993s.

IMHO, the 993s still retain the best aesthetics except for a long hood RSR. I used to be a fan 80s 911s until my tastes change regarding the attractiveness of the impact bumpers. Having said this, I admit that the 964 styling is not the best of any 911 generation. This may be the biggest detractor of its value; though with the right stance, it is not unattractive by any means.

I can already see in today's market a tide-turning trend towards a more positive outlook of the 964. I've been tempted several times to buy one before it takes off.

Laguna Seca

What I find interesting is that a lot of guys with Carreras put some Ruf bumpers and such on their cars that make them look a lot like 964's. mclaudio...I love the look of the 964...but I do agree...stance is everything! Also, does the 964 still boast the lowest coefficient of drag? I would love for Porsche to design a retro 911 with all the modern goodies!

vracer

As the owner of an '89 G-50 Targa, I get invited to a lot of parties that will not admit a 964. But I think that is a big shame. To my way of thinking, the 964 is a very superior driving car, and I would probably own one instead of my 911 if I had found an equal quality 964 first.

RonCoolZone

Interesting comment from Vracer above! an 89 owner/driver no less! A good friend suggested to me that the 964 is the oldest 911 you will want to drive day in day out and on trips! I think that is true. My 1993 RS America is exquisit to drive - just starting it is fun-- trips amazing-- I owned a 993 for 5 years and 2 years of that I also owned the RSA and I could easily parted (sold) my 993 but could not bear the thought of selling my 1993 RSA 964. With lowered stance- upgraded suspension- improved exhaust -near perfect original paint -- what's not to like? That said- a car is for driving and the tractor type suspension on all 911's prior to the 964 are simply "LESS" than the more modern but still hand made 964 IMHO. I've not driven in a 911 older than a 964 that I really would want to travel on a trip in.

GT9111

As an owner of a 964 for 13 years and a G50 3.2 for 2 years, I agree with most of the comments about the overall superiority in performance and handling of the 964 over the 3.2. Granted, my 964 has been modified with the usual performance enhancements (i.e. suspension, RS flywheel, Recaro seats, etc) over the years, so my comparision of the two models may not be fair to my stock 3.2.

I agree with Ian when he said driving the 3.2 exudes an experience of driving a classic car. Moreover, when I'm driving the 3.2, I feel that I'm experiencing the pure driving essence of Porsche and its evolutionary achievement before electronic assistance started to dilute and detach the driving experience.

In my case, for spirited runs, I would take the 964. But, if I should desire a leisurely afternoon drive, I would opt for my 3.2.

tcabler

Well said. I couldn't agree more. I love my 964 but will honestly admit that with each evolution of the 911 after the 3.2, the driver to road interface became more insulated. Prior to owning a 964, I really struggled in deciding which of the two I wanted. I guess ultimately I was willing to sacrifice the raw essence of the 3.2 for some of the creature comforts of the 964. That being said, I still think the 964 provides enough of that old-world 911 quirkiness to make me happy.

tcabler

Well said. I couldn't agree more. I love my 964 but will honestly admit that with each evolution of the 911 after the 3.2, the driver to road interface became more insulated. Prior to owning a 964, I really struggled in deciding which of the two I wanted. I guess ultimately I was willing to sacrifice the raw essence of the 3.2 for some of the creature comforts of the 964. That being said, I still think the 964 provides enough of that old-world 911 quirkiness to make me happy.