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But then there are days when I drive my 964 cab and it's far more what I want on that day than the GT3 which is obviously a more capable car. If it's 75 degrees, clear, not full of traffic, that car is as good as it gets for me. Because it's not about pure speed and handling at that point, it's about the best experience for that day.
looks like the 964RS is hands down the favorite over here. I was talking to a guy earlier today and he was a long time porsche guy, now into Ferrari and he had so many positive things to say about the 964. Sadly, as with most of these cars, there aren’t any really for sale. Now all I see are cars with huge asking prices and a lot of them tbh imo aren’t that great condition wise. I think everyone is holding on to their stuff right now…probably a good time to sell lol
cars i own or have owned:
-lotus evora 400 (second only to the lotus elise, will never sell)
-porsche cayman s (the 295 hp version)
-honda nsx (fully restored, later model brakes, model year 1990)
-honda s2000 (fully restored, the first generation "very tailhappy" version, i own it for 20years now, will get öhlins road&track next month)
-porsche 964 c4 (model year 1990, fully restored+öhlins road&track, my last project)
-porsche boxter (255hp)
-toyota mr2 (model year 2005)
-porsche 911 g-model (model year 1989, fully restored+bilstein sportlich strasse)
-audi tt (180hp)
cars i think to know well enough to judge:
-lotus elise (even the first 120hp version)
-porsche 997 gt3 (comes close to the evora-harsher ride,far better interior quality)
-renault alpine a110 (model year 2020, first non manual gear sport car i considered to buy)
-mazda mx5 (all models)
-mini cooper (all models)
sorry volks for disturbing an all porsche forum;
cars i own or have owned:
-lotus evora 400 (second only to the lotus elise, will never sell)
-porsche cayman s (the 295 hp version)
-honda nsx (fully restored, later model brakes, model year 1990)
-honda s2000 (fully restored, the first generation "very tailhappy" version, i own it for 20years now, will get öhlins road&track next month)
-porsche 964 c4 (model year 1990, fully restored+öhlins road&track, my last project)
-porsche boxter (255hp)
-toyota mr2 (model year 2005)
-porsche 911 g-model (model year 1989, fully restored+bilstein sportlich strasse)
-audi tt (180hp)
cars i think to know well enough to judge:
-lotus elise (even the first 120hp version)
-porsche 997 gt3 (comes close to the evora-harsher ride,far better interior quality)
-renault alpine a110 (model year 2020, first non manual gear sport car i considered to buy)
-mazda mx5 (all models)
-mini cooper (all models)
sorry volks for disturbing an all porsche forum;
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I appreciate every 911 made and have driven just about all of them minus a 993 RS. I have seen the aftermath of collisions with the earlier long nose all the way up to G-body and it isn't pretty to see how easily they crumble. The 964/993 platform is far more safe which to me is in the back of my head when on public streets. Yesterday I had 3 people make a right hand turn from the far left lane in front of me without looking.
I never liked the 996 unless it had a mezger engine and even then only the GT2 intrigued me. As the cars get newer they are dumbed down and after a back to back experience on track with a 991.2 and 992 I walked away in amazement how capable and yet how numb a car can feel. It had me lusting over the 991.2 just for the feel despite it is less capable car and the 991.2 doesn't do much for me. We haven't even touched upon the feel of the new manuals and clutch engagement. The newer cars IMO just can't be enjoyed safely on the street. The fun begins at 120 and I don't need the legal bills.Of all the cars pictured if I had to choose the 964 RS hands down. Although if I had the coin I would have one of each. They are all wonderful machines and you really can't go wrong with any of them unless you plan to DD them. BTDT and I am just too old for a 911 as a DD. These all make great weekend worriers or track toys but not a daily.
G-Model 1987 vs. 964 C4 1990:
both offer very similar driving characteristics, for both of them you need perfect alignment and suspension parts to give confidence in grip and steering feel on the front axle. in case of my g-model i got bilstein "sportlich-strasse"+turbo steering rods+all original moving parts in perfect condition.(N- specification tyres are essential)
The difference in my opinion is what happens if you reach your- or the cars limits.
first: i will never forget the first time my g-model's tail swinging back to the inside of the corner at the same angle as it was on the outside just the blink of an eye before.......never ever lift the pedal in a drifting g-model without exactly knowing what you are doing.
second: g-model does not offer ABS; having definitly not the driving abilities of Walther Röhrl, i hit the rear axle of a delivery van. the driver looked into my eyes and decided to cross my lane- wet road- panic braking- no steering- 3 month to rebuild the car.
C4: the 4 wheel drive in combination whith the automatic locking units is working very well. acceleration out of corners is as good as any modern 4 wheel driven car.
although it is a first generation 3-channel ABS system it is really helpful in slippery conditions.
both offer a harsher ride than other sport cars of their decade; the inside noise (can) will get annoying on the way from vienna to venice; you will need a mechanic who knows what he is doing.
wolfgang
I appreciate every 911 made and have driven just about all of them minus a 993 RS. I have seen the aftermath of collisions with the earlier long nose all the way up to G-body and it isn't pretty to see how easily they crumble. The 964/993 platform is far more safe which to me is in the back of my head when on public streets. Yesterday I had 3 people make a right hand turn from the far left lane in front of me without looking.
I never liked the 996 unless it had a mezger engine and even then only the GT2 intrigued me. As the cars get newer they are dumbed down and after a back to back experience on track with a 991.2 and 992 I walked away in amazement how capable and yet how numb a car can feel. It had me lusting over the 991.2 just for the feel despite it is less capable car and the 991.2 doesn't do much for me. We haven't even touched upon the feel of the new manuals and clutch engagement. The newer cars IMO just can't be enjoyed safely on the street. The fun begins at 120 and I don't need the legal bills.Of all the cars pictured if I had to choose the 964 RS hands down. Although if I had the coin I would have one of each. They are all wonderful machines and you really can't go wrong with any of them unless you plan to DD them. BTDT and I am just too old for a 911 as a DD. These all make great weekend worriers or track toys but not a daily.
I have had a couple of really good conversations lately about this topic. First was a good friend who owns a lusso (the real lusso) and a long hooded 911. He loves the engagement and the experience of driving his cars and he’s not afraid to get on them. We were talking about Porsches and Ferraris of the 70-80s and I brought up the point of them being slow plain and simple. He countered that nobody who loves the 246 Ferrari is even remotely interested in speed, acceleration, etc. Instead, it’s the overall experience and love of ownership for the car. It’s what happened when you take the winding road and get lost, or when you go into the store at the gas station and a guy is taking a picture of your car and you meet a new friend. It’s about those perfect shifts and engaging corners. A second friend told me how he had a chance to drive an older sports car for two days. He didn’t want to give the car back.
When I think about Porsche, especially vintage Porsche, I get excited about the heritage, the mystique, the experience and I fall in love all over again. This video speaks to me about the passion





