Brake fluid and engine oil change
#31
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I've gone through the old receipts and it looks like the distributor caps and rotors were replaced 5 years ago (I've no idea how many km that would have been). Is it worthwhile changing these? Cables? I've read something about having the engine running while spraying some water around...
I didn't see anything about spark plugs but I would have thought this would have been done at some point but perhaps up to 5 years ago by the look of it.
5 years ago the previous owner bought Clubsport 964 RS engine mounts - they seem to have doubled in price in those 5 years. The club and LWFW kit is 50% more 5 years later as well.
I've taken my topic off-topic...
I didn't see anything about spark plugs but I would have thought this would have been done at some point but perhaps up to 5 years ago by the look of it.
5 years ago the previous owner bought Clubsport 964 RS engine mounts - they seem to have doubled in price in those 5 years. The club and LWFW kit is 50% more 5 years later as well.
I've taken my topic off-topic...
#32
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While ordering some Millers Oils product for the engine oil change I noticed that they do a 5.1 brake fluid. Worthwhile? Comparisons to ATE 200 dot 4? Doesn't matter?
#33
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If you are using the switch method you need them on the diff locks for sure.
For my car- i swapped out all the bleeders on the car to stainless speed bleeders. Do we "need" to do this? No. But...my car was at that time and had been for many years, my only car, winter snow, summer rain and all...so the stainless bleeders were my friend. And that in a pinch i could crack one and run a little fluid through without the motive attached...that was just a plus.
As to the Motive bleeder...i also bought a second one for the C4, much larger tank. I fill it with 6 liters and tap the side a bit to let the air bubbles out of the fluid after pouring. I now use the little motive for the C2 and the larger motive for the C4. Also not "necessary", but adding fluid to the motive mid way through a flush is a drag.
For my car- i swapped out all the bleeders on the car to stainless speed bleeders. Do we "need" to do this? No. But...my car was at that time and had been for many years, my only car, winter snow, summer rain and all...so the stainless bleeders were my friend. And that in a pinch i could crack one and run a little fluid through without the motive attached...that was just a plus.
As to the Motive bleeder...i also bought a second one for the C4, much larger tank. I fill it with 6 liters and tap the side a bit to let the air bubbles out of the fluid after pouring. I now use the little motive for the C2 and the larger motive for the C4. Also not "necessary", but adding fluid to the motive mid way through a flush is a drag.
https://www.biketeile-service.de/en/...derm6x100.html
They look a different colour but seem to be correct? They seem to be tough to find here.
#34
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Those should work for the diff locks and the clutch slave.
The bomb is a different size as are the brake calipers.
I use these:
http://www.speedbleeder.com/size.htm
I'm sure they ship international...since we are, effectively, a global society these days...lol.
Note on that list- the ss means stainless steel...the sb1010-ss i think are what i used on the brake calipers. All the sizes are listed somewhere in the suspension madness thread...
The bomb is a different size as are the brake calipers.
I use these:
http://www.speedbleeder.com/size.htm
I'm sure they ship international...since we are, effectively, a global society these days...lol.
Note on that list- the ss means stainless steel...the sb1010-ss i think are what i used on the brake calipers. All the sizes are listed somewhere in the suspension madness thread...
#35
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Those should work for the diff locks and the clutch slave.
The bomb is a different size as are the brake calipers.
I use these:
http://www.speedbleeder.com/size.htm
I'm sure they ship international...since we are, effectively, a global society these days...lol.
Note on that list- the ss means stainless steel...the sb1010-ss i think are what i used on the brake calipers. All the sizes are listed somewhere in the suspension madness thread...
The bomb is a different size as are the brake calipers.
I use these:
http://www.speedbleeder.com/size.htm
I'm sure they ship international...since we are, effectively, a global society these days...lol.
Note on that list- the ss means stainless steel...the sb1010-ss i think are what i used on the brake calipers. All the sizes are listed somewhere in the suspension madness thread...
I think they are easier to get in the UK and I can get them brought over from there. That website I linked to has various sizes but I'm not sure of the source, whereas I can get Goodrich ones from the UK. More searching required!
Thanks for all the help.
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Going through your updates;
I too would like more education re the transmission vs gear oil. Good transmission oil I get - low friction, viscosity etc. Gear oil for the front diff I've been using Swepco too without any problem. However, feel I need to read up more if (or why not) you can't use the same oils for both. I have a spare front diff I picked up and pan on overhauling that with new bearings etc over winter and swap this over so keen to start with the right oil (if it is different that is).
Do you have a friend in the UK who can post items to you on the cheap? I do that for my brother-in-law in Bahrain - post bits and pieces to him.
Have the RS engine mounts and I did notice an apparent easier gear change (felt a bit notchy before). Also hear the 993 mounts are a favourite too.
Water misting in the engine bay helps tracking down worn/cracked cables through spotting 'spark leaks' or traces. I have another set of Beru cables as backup but caps and current cables seem fine.
Had the plugs replaced last year after 8 years and some hard driving. Interestingly when I was given the old plugs back my indie said they were actually pretty good (needn't have bothered changing for a while) and every one looked fine with correct burn signs. Valve clearances after 8 years were also still spot on. Happy.
5.1 brake fluid I'm not so sure about. Someone will chime in with a good reason. Thought I read somewhere to avoid it and stick with the DOT4 we use (ATE200 etc)
I do wonder sometimes that, other than regular quality oil changes, why I keep thinking I need to do loads of other things too when actually it's probably best left alone, while remaining observant and continue to perform prudent checks here and there.
I too would like more education re the transmission vs gear oil. Good transmission oil I get - low friction, viscosity etc. Gear oil for the front diff I've been using Swepco too without any problem. However, feel I need to read up more if (or why not) you can't use the same oils for both. I have a spare front diff I picked up and pan on overhauling that with new bearings etc over winter and swap this over so keen to start with the right oil (if it is different that is).
Do you have a friend in the UK who can post items to you on the cheap? I do that for my brother-in-law in Bahrain - post bits and pieces to him.
Have the RS engine mounts and I did notice an apparent easier gear change (felt a bit notchy before). Also hear the 993 mounts are a favourite too.
Water misting in the engine bay helps tracking down worn/cracked cables through spotting 'spark leaks' or traces. I have another set of Beru cables as backup but caps and current cables seem fine.
Had the plugs replaced last year after 8 years and some hard driving. Interestingly when I was given the old plugs back my indie said they were actually pretty good (needn't have bothered changing for a while) and every one looked fine with correct burn signs. Valve clearances after 8 years were also still spot on. Happy.
5.1 brake fluid I'm not so sure about. Someone will chime in with a good reason. Thought I read somewhere to avoid it and stick with the DOT4 we use (ATE200 etc)
I do wonder sometimes that, other than regular quality oil changes, why I keep thinking I need to do loads of other things too when actually it's probably best left alone, while remaining observant and continue to perform prudent checks here and there.
Last edited by LM964; 12-17-2021 at 04:43 AM.
#37
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Going through your updates;
I too would like more education re the transmission vs gear oil. Good transmission oil I get - low friction, viscosity etc. Gear oil for the front diff I've been using Swepco too without any problem. However, feel I need to read up more if (or why not) you can't use the same oils for both. I have a spare front diff I picked up and pan on overhauling that with new bearings etc over winter and swap this over so keen to start with the right oil (if it is different that is).
Do you have a friend in the UK who can post items to you on the cheap? I do that for my brother-in-law in Bahrain - post bits and pieces to him.
Have the RS engine mounts and I did notice an apparent easier gear change (felt a bit notchy before). Also hear the 993 mounts are a favourite too.
Water misting in the engine bay helps tracking down worn/cracked cables through spotting 'spark leaks' or traces. I have another set of Beru cables as backup but caps and current cables seem fine.
Had the plugs replaced last year after 8 years and some hard driving. Interestingly when I was given the old plugs back my indie said they were actually pretty good (needn't have bothered changing for a while) and every one looked fine with correct burn signs. Valve clearances after 8 years were also still spot on. Happy.
5.1 brake fluid I'm not so sure about. Someone will chime in with a good reason. Thought I read somewhere to avoid it and stick with the DOT4 we use (ATE200 etc)
I do wonder sometimes that, other than regular quality oil changes, why I keep thinking I need to do loads of other things too when actually it's probably best left alone, while remaining observant and continue to perform prudent checks here and there.
I too would like more education re the transmission vs gear oil. Good transmission oil I get - low friction, viscosity etc. Gear oil for the front diff I've been using Swepco too without any problem. However, feel I need to read up more if (or why not) you can't use the same oils for both. I have a spare front diff I picked up and pan on overhauling that with new bearings etc over winter and swap this over so keen to start with the right oil (if it is different that is).
Do you have a friend in the UK who can post items to you on the cheap? I do that for my brother-in-law in Bahrain - post bits and pieces to him.
Have the RS engine mounts and I did notice an apparent easier gear change (felt a bit notchy before). Also hear the 993 mounts are a favourite too.
Water misting in the engine bay helps tracking down worn/cracked cables through spotting 'spark leaks' or traces. I have another set of Beru cables as backup but caps and current cables seem fine.
Had the plugs replaced last year after 8 years and some hard driving. Interestingly when I was given the old plugs back my indie said they were actually pretty good (needn't have bothered changing for a while) and every one looked fine with correct burn signs. Valve clearances after 8 years were also still spot on. Happy.
5.1 brake fluid I'm not so sure about. Someone will chime in with a good reason. Thought I read somewhere to avoid it and stick with the DOT4 we use (ATE200 etc)
I do wonder sometimes that, other than regular quality oil changes, why I keep thinking I need to do loads of other things too when actually it's probably best left alone, while remaining observant and continue to perform prudent checks here and there.
I'll try the water misting thing and try to have a good look at the cables. With this, distributors and spark plugs I guess it's a case of thinking it probably should be done while I'm doing the valve clearance, which the previous owner said would probably need checking in the near future. It seems prudent to do it but it could be unnecessary, although spark plugs aren't exactly expensive. Maybe I'll try to have a quick look in the distributor and see how it looks - those were both replaced 5 years ago so perhaps they are perfectly ok. I've no idea how often they should be replaced or how many km have been driven since they were replaced, but probably not many. It's a 1990 car with 114,000km on it.
I had a look at the engine and it seems quite clean and dry in there other than a light sheen of oil on the right side under the oil filter.
I guess ATE 200 DOT 4 is the obvious choice and it seems popular.
#38
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There are some bits that need to be torqued and I'll need a smaller torque wrench. I've seen some Hazet 10-60Nm torque wrenches and they are available in 3/8" and 1/2" - which is the better size to get for this sort of thing and general tasks? I'll possibly be doing the spark plugs and valve clearance as well.
#39
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There are some bits that need to be torqued and I'll need a smaller torque wrench. I've seen some Hazet 10-60Nm torque wrenches and they are available in 3/8" and 1/2" - which is the better size to get for this sort of thing and general tasks? I'll possibly be doing the spark plugs and valve clearance as well.
#40
Race Car
You need a 3/8 torque wrench for everything that requires torques btw approximately 17ft lbs and maybe 60 ftlbs
1/2 drive above that.
1/4 drive below.
None of the torques are going to be super critical to be spot on...except the valve covers, so for the 1/4 drive- spend up on a cdi (America, whatever the euro equivalent is for the best)...
For the 3/8 or 1/2, a "good" torque wrench is sufficient.
If you want to do inside the engine work, scratch all that and buy very good for all three and make sure they are calibrated...
1/2 drive above that.
1/4 drive below.
None of the torques are going to be super critical to be spot on...except the valve covers, so for the 1/4 drive- spend up on a cdi (America, whatever the euro equivalent is for the best)...
For the 3/8 or 1/2, a "good" torque wrench is sufficient.
If you want to do inside the engine work, scratch all that and buy very good for all three and make sure they are calibrated...
#41
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Thread Starter
You need a 3/8 torque wrench for everything that requires torques btw approximately 17ft lbs and maybe 60 ftlbs
1/2 drive above that.
1/4 drive below.
None of the torques are going to be super critical to be spot on...except the valve covers, so for the 1/4 drive- spend up on a cdi (America, whatever the euro equivalent is for the best)...
For the 3/8 or 1/2, a "good" torque wrench is sufficient.
If you want to do inside the engine work, scratch all that and buy very good for all three and make sure they are calibrated...
1/2 drive above that.
1/4 drive below.
None of the torques are going to be super critical to be spot on...except the valve covers, so for the 1/4 drive- spend up on a cdi (America, whatever the euro equivalent is for the best)...
For the 3/8 or 1/2, a "good" torque wrench is sufficient.
If you want to do inside the engine work, scratch all that and buy very good for all three and make sure they are calibrated...
Speed bleeders - I'll need 2 M6 but I couldn't see what others are used in your suspension madness thread (some great information in there by the way). When I fit the speed bleeders is it just a case of removing the old and putting the new ones in and I shouldn't lose much oil doing this if the system is not being pressurised?
All of this is completely new to me but I'm enjoying learning.
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#43
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I think I got confused and it's the transmission that will require the hex socket if I have read the guides correctly.
I think I want to do the valve clearance and spark plugs while I've got the engine oil out - go big or go home, right?
I appreciate all the help - I could not even dream of attempting this without all the help on this forum.
#44
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Looking through earlier communications it looks like the valve clearance was done around 12,000km ago (7,500 miles) and engine oil done in October, although I'll change it anyway. Would it be a good idea to get in there and do the valve clearance now?
The brake discs have been upgraded to 964 turbo at the front and 964 RS at the back, but I'm not sure about the callipers. Is it possible to know what size speed bleeders would be required for the callipers?
I've found M6x1.00 and I think I need 2 of these but I'm not sure what others I would need.
Sorry for all the questions - it's very early days for me!
The brake discs have been upgraded to 964 turbo at the front and 964 RS at the back, but I'm not sure about the callipers. Is it possible to know what size speed bleeders would be required for the callipers?
I've found M6x1.00 and I think I need 2 of these but I'm not sure what others I would need.
Sorry for all the questions - it's very early days for me!
Last edited by spooky69; 12-21-2021 at 10:35 AM.
#45
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The brake bleeders are an m10 fine thread. So is that m10x1.00? Maybe. Two per caliper
The m6 bleeders are three. Two diff locks and the clutch slave.
Then, not needed but there is an sae size bleeder on the bomb, and another m10 bleeder on the pdas solenoid
For that 10mm hex on the front diff and the trans...i use a 1/2 drive Blackhawk impact socket. A thing of beauty. Always spend up for Allen sockets. No need to go snapon or Facom in most cases, but for Allen always buy high quality. (I do use a long 10mm facom 1/2 drive socket for the lower rear caliper bolts.) anyway point there is you don't need to be rounding out stuck bolts.
And ....we've been talking about this for a week! You should be done already! Get in there...
Loving the calipers btw. I'm gearing up to do a similar "upgrade" as well. But now that you have brought it up....you should - or the previous over should have done one of two things- either swapped the bias valve for the turbo valve or gutted the oem 964 bias valve. You may want to check. And if the valve has not been gutted, if you gut that, you will have more rear brake bias.
You can find the bias valve on the brake lines at the bottom front of your abs pump. I bring this up because if you are going to investigate, you want to do this before the bleed, obviously.
Also. Don't do a valve adjustment at the moment. Get through the oil and fluids first. And then later do a valve adjustment. When you need one.
The m6 bleeders are three. Two diff locks and the clutch slave.
Then, not needed but there is an sae size bleeder on the bomb, and another m10 bleeder on the pdas solenoid
For that 10mm hex on the front diff and the trans...i use a 1/2 drive Blackhawk impact socket. A thing of beauty. Always spend up for Allen sockets. No need to go snapon or Facom in most cases, but for Allen always buy high quality. (I do use a long 10mm facom 1/2 drive socket for the lower rear caliper bolts.) anyway point there is you don't need to be rounding out stuck bolts.
And ....we've been talking about this for a week! You should be done already! Get in there...
Loving the calipers btw. I'm gearing up to do a similar "upgrade" as well. But now that you have brought it up....you should - or the previous over should have done one of two things- either swapped the bias valve for the turbo valve or gutted the oem 964 bias valve. You may want to check. And if the valve has not been gutted, if you gut that, you will have more rear brake bias.
You can find the bias valve on the brake lines at the bottom front of your abs pump. I bring this up because if you are going to investigate, you want to do this before the bleed, obviously.
Also. Don't do a valve adjustment at the moment. Get through the oil and fluids first. And then later do a valve adjustment. When you need one.
Last edited by Goughary; 12-21-2021 at 11:09 PM.