cobalt

Tarek,

I am always skeptical of a reputation based on an Instagram following. From my experience most are based on comments from people who don't have a clue and get sucked into the hype. I have seen cars that were all the rage only to find they used dry wall screws in the build. Although I am sure the seller is capable of good work this is not his Mona Lisa.

Bring me this car in a year and we will see if it was worth what someone is about to overpay for it. Yeah you can say buy it, drive it and who cares but there are far too many questions and no answers. To buy based on reputation is IMO a huge mistake. It is a flared out 90 with no upgrades FG parts and an old engine build. A lot of bling added and fancy photos to sell nothing special To me the body work and paint job detract maybe if he took the time to do it right vs quickly. I could care less how many people he throws at it the timing isn't right. The filler needs to cure and will eventually shrink along with the primer, the paint under the decals will look either dull or peel the clear when removed. Its not if as much as how badly. If he was truly on the up and up he would address the questions instead of insulting those asking the questions.

golfnutintib

it is true you can't be too picky with 964's these days... they are quite old now, and more importantly, they have been through a long period where they were not worth much, so many have been seriously neglected by their former owners

that said, they are simple cars and can be rebuilt/rehabbed into great cars again, ones that deliver a great driving and prideful ownership experience... but the process requires a lot of time, money, perseverance, and experience

whether you are a customer paying for a resto/rehab, or if you have a shop doing them, time and energy and money are ultimately the resources to bring to bear, so it is not unusual (even expected) to see people cut corners, especially if they seek to try to sell into the hot market

as enthusiasts, we just need to be careful, listen to those who have experience, and understand that human nature/greed centrally at play here... we also need to be honest with ourselves how perfect/imperfect a 30 y.o. car we want or need in order to be happy with it

Vegas993

Two words: Rhino. Liner.

Lorenzoh

Marine Blue

When I take a close look at the pictures of the black 964 on BAT I can see that some corners were cut, some are very obvious and others only to the trained eye. I’m seeing the same as Anthony, there’s already lots of sanding/filler marks showing through the paint and with time that will get worse. The decals could also be hiding some less then stellar bodywork, hard to say. I also noted that the paint on the rocker panels is already heavily chipped which makes me wonder how well the front bumper, hood and fenders will hold up with time. The car is also dirty in the pictures which makes it more difficult to really confirm its condition.

Tarek I’ve seen a couple of your cars in person and I can say your descriptions are accurate and you tend to highlight the issues rather than hiding them. I don’t see the same for this black 964.

Having said all that, it’s possible the buyer wants a good baseline to do a custom build and perhaps $65K is getting him/her that starting point to build a widebody backdate or similar. Who knows what the motivation is but hopefully there’s no disappointment.

Lorenzoh

Tarek307

Thanks Afshin. I myself always think its a plus to highlight any issues, nicks or whatever. Obviously many sellers tend to do the opposite. Personally i don't think he's trying to hide anything on purpose on his car, he probably just doesn't think they are of "importance" or a big deal. Either way, that car is now getting expensive...we will see where it ends up.

You really need to join us for a drive soon- Angeles crest!

Marine Blue

Lots of eyes on the black car, I'm also curious where it ends...

Count me in for a drive once the snow stops and the sand is off the roads! I'll let you know when we get a drive set up for Palomar, I think you'll enjoy that drive....even in the Italian trash

cobalt

That is one thing I enjoy about your ads. Anytime someone sends me a link for my opinion there is little for me to do as you point out all the strengths as well as the weaknesses. No ambiguity and no deception. I don't think the seller is trying to pull the wool over anyones eyes although he is relying on the fancy pictures and buyers ignorance to sell this car. If you want a widebody 964 I wouldn't consider this one. If this car hits $70k which it appear it will you could easily find a car and have the work done properly instead of rushed and be into it for the same amount possible less if you are a DIYer. I am lucky to have been around and assist in some incredible shops and have learned there is so much more than a nice paint job. No matter how good a painter the end result is all in the prep and that is something you can't rush.

Instagram has brought out the authority in those that know very little other than how to mimic what others are saying. This is very sad when people like a car based on fenders and decals and have no clue to what a quality job is and its value. Whoever buys this car will most likely be fixing the work done in a few years. Also the suspension appears to be setup for a NB car which is perfect for the rear but not ideal when setting the car up properly. They should have used the turbo settings for the front which would make a huge improvement in handling but adds expense.

As far as a properly welded flair here is a 914 6 getting a GT conversion. This car had a lot of bad bodywork done in the past and had to have most of it cutaway and all new panels welded in place. This car has 0 filler on any of the panels unlike the other builds you will see. Properly butt welded and metal shaped instead of filler filing the voids and shaping the fender. It also looks as good underneath as it does from above.

The differences between work like this and the work done on the WB 90 C2 is monumental and shows when a shop actually knows what they are doing.

dukmon

That stuff is not lightweight at all........

Vegas993

Not to mention meant for truck beds.

dukmon

FWIW (not much,) BAT is something I can hardly enjoy any longer. I mean, I'll always love cars but some participants on the site have turned the place into a hen party shriek fest. I could always chortle to myself over the "just like mine," "If I only had more room for one more," "I'd be a player on this one if....." comments but now it's almost unbearable with all the emotion going on as if it were dictated by moon phases......

For example:
"DHG! Once again, we have a Great Pissing Match going on. Get a life People! You are atemping to impress the WORLD that you know more than everyone else. AND this 911 has issues. This Porsche does NOT have issues. Maybe in your mind, or dimension. Way too many people have spoken for this car. It’s known. It’s been seen. It’s got history. It is an AWESOME build. Go crawl back under your rock, and leave this Seller, AND his 911 alone. Let us have a decent sale tomorrow. For once. It helps to be nice, you know."

Marine Blue

Tarek307

Thanks Cobalt, really means a lot to me when someone with your knowledge has something good to say about my ads. The black car on BAT is definitely starting to get expensive, but hey its a good thing for all of us 964 lovers lol

Sirenty