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Old 01-12-2019, 12:01 AM
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Greetings,

Last August I bought this 1994 Carrera 4 Widebody. I was the high bidder on BAT but it didn't meet its reserve. I was able to make a deal shortly after with the seller. Some of you may have seen it ....https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...a-4-wide-body/. According to Norbert at the Turbo-Look Registry this car is number 27 out of the 267 built and was part of the first production run for the US market. The car is very nice overall but did have a few issues that needed resolving. I have several plans for the car and now that work has begun I thought I would document it here. Hope you enjoy!



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Old 01-12-2019, 03:43 AM
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Congratulations, love your wb, cant wait to see what you are going to do with it
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Welcome to the WB club. They look really good lowered or at stock height. I found that something looks a bit off with intermediate heights.
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Saw yours on BaT when it came up last August. Congrats on the buy - it looks like a good one. No doubt you're creating a long list of work to do, all entirely sensible mods you simply MUST do...! Got any more pics at all..?

Interesting Norbert says yours is the 27th car of the 267 car run as that would mean mine is the 2nd ! Unless my sums are wrong. Very cool if so but still cool if not. They're great cars and I have no plans to ever sell mine. For me its the perfect combination of looks, aircooled, performance and usability.

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How do you know if the was 27th and 2nd? I am lost. I wonder what mine is?

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Vin numbers start at 061 for all 964's so being vin 062 it would make his the second in line and 87 should make it the 27th. although when a car left the factory could be impacted by many things. Cars designated 09991 and other Werks special wishes cars sometimes made it over to the department and left long after cars later in the production line. Although your car being 718 coded means it was built in 93 but had its vin changed to 1994. Your engine should be P coded vs the chassis which is now R coded.
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Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
Vin numbers start at 061 for all 964's so being vin 062 it would make his the second in line and 87 should make it the 27th. although when a car left the factory could be impacted by many things. Cars designated 09991 and other Werks special wishes cars sometimes made it over to the department and left long after cars later in the production line. Although your car being 718 coded means it was built in 93 but had its vin changed to 1994. Your engine should be P coded vs the chassis which is now R coded.
Hmmm, still a little lost. Can you shed any light on mine?

WP0AB296XRS420187

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Mine is a 94 , i guess one of the last ones but cant figure out the logic either
417-61= 356 ?
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The last known serial number for the 1994 C2NB/C4WB cars is 456.

456-60-267= 129 Whether the 13 Canadian cars impact the number is unknown but the C2 numbers could be as lower

Either 129 or 116 US spec C2 coupes were imported to the US in 1994. We know thanks to Norbert that there were 267 C4 WB's imported and an additional 13 to Canada. All the 718 coded cars had their vin number changed from a P code 1993 to an R code 1994 so all are considered 1994 MY cars. This might have been done so not to have to destroy an additional 60 test mules as they did with the 964 turbo 3.6.

Please read Norberts comments below as he shows that the 13 Canadian cars were part of the 267.

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Originally Posted by Greg Wolfe View Post
Hmmm, still a little lost. Can you shed any light on mine?

WP0AB296XRS420187

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(according to the US-VIN range including all 964 Carrera such as Carrera 2 and Carrera 4 Widebody ( a regular Carrera 4 was no longer available modelyear 1994))

yours is No.126

Mark┤s - is No. 2 - (that is nothing new , Mark ? - No. 1 is in Germany)

0417 is No. 228

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Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
The last known serial number for the 1994 C2NB/C4WB cars is 456.

456-60-267= 129 Whether the 13 Canadian cars impact the number is unknown but the C2 numbers could be as lower

Either 129 or 116 US spec C2 coupes were imported to the US in 1994. We know thanks to Norbert that there were 267 C4 WB's imported and an additional 13 to Canada. All the 718 coded cars had their vin number changed from a P code 1993 to an R code 1994 so all are considered 1994 MY cars. This might have been done so no to have to destroy an additional 60 test mules as they did with the 964 turbo 3.6.

The VIN range 0001 up to 0060 was blocked for preproduction and testcars (in the early years the first ten cars) - that does not mean that these testcars ever existed! There was surely nothing to destroy in modelyear 1994

396 964 Carrera with US VIN-Numbers MJ. 1994 (including the CANADA cars) of them 267 Carrera 4 Widebody and 129 Carrera 2

read all i could find about the entire 964 widebody worldwide here: http://www.turbo-look.com/facts/964-...158b8e2626d027 (scroll down if you are only interested in US widebodys)

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Thanks Norbert that makes sense to me I think. I hadn't realised mine was the second one off the line though!

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Originally Posted by mark lintott View Post
Thanks Norbert that makes sense to me I think. I hadn't realised mine was the second one off the line though!

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I am sorry. I could not resist
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Old 01-16-2019, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by TL-Register View Post
The VIN range 0001 up to 0060 was blocked for preproduction and testcars (in the early years the first ten cars) - that does not mean that these testcars ever existed! There was surely nothing to destroy in modelyear 1994

396 964 Carrera with US VIN-Numbers MJ. 1994 (including the CANADA cars) of them 267 Carrera 4 Widebody and 129 Carrera 2

read all i could find about the entire 964 widebody worldwide here: http://www.turbo-look.com/facts/964-carrera-4-coupe/?usrid=7&hsh=f2523d4defe6b23419158b8e2626d027 (scroll down if you are only interested in US widebodys)

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Norbert, Now you have me confused.

According to the info provided by Porsche for volume models the first 50 Vin numbers were reserved for test vehicles and number sequence 51 to 60 were used for specialized vehicles, for further testing within the fleet of development vehicles. The series vehicles sold officially therefore usually start at number 61 if they are produced within the same year as the test vehicles. The confusion lies with the M718 coded cars. As with the 1994 MY US spec 964 turbo the first 60 Vins were from 1993 and must have been M718 coded as well with no test mules for 1994. Although 288 of the turbos were M718 coded from 1993 to 1994 all were considered 1994 MY cars here. Although the M718 coded cars were not all in sequence and some Vins were skipped over with R coded engines and no 718 code while later vins received P coded engines and M718 code.

Whether or not the test vehicles existed or not is something Porsche would know although I have no doubt the US DOT would be upset if they found out they didn't but Porsche played a lot of games back then to meet US DOT standards.

I see where you break out the 13 Canadian cars from the 267 lower on the page of your site. I am confused whether or not you are saying that Greg's car is the 126th C4 WB or if it is the 126th 964 coupe made either C4 or C2. The info I have shows that the C2 and C4 WB were made in the same line at the same time. For his to be the 126th WB would mean Porsche made most all the C4's first then the C2's which contradicts the vins I have for C2's. A friend of mine owned a C2 that was early in the sequence. Unfortunately the car was lost at Watkins Glen a number of years back.

I must assume you have a list of all Vin numbers and option codes to know that Vin 417 was the 228th WB made?

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Originally Posted by TL-Register View Post
(according to the US-VIN range including all 964 Carrera such as Carrera 2 and Carrera 4 Widebody ( a regular Carrera 4 was no longer available modelyear 1994))

yours is No.126

Mark┤s - is No. 2 - (that is nothing new , Mark ? - No. 1 is in Germany)

0417 is No. 228

Best from Germany

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thank you for your input Norbert!
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