Does that other forum begin with an R ? There seemed to be some interesting posts on that site in the past, odd it's so quiet now.

 

yep. There are some very good posts there. it is a shame it went quiet. Was less threads like this one.

 

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More or less.

 

Yeah, Pat's one of a kind. Wish our schedules mixed up when I was in Australia. We've talked, emailed, facebooked, etc. Seems we both have the disease, just think his is terminal. His and Dukes are two of the best examples of these car's potential. I just like my stereo and AC, plus the new https://www.escortradar.com/passport9500ci/ is AMAZING. I don't drive fast in town, but on long trips, this is worth it's high price tag. I don't have any dents, and haven't had a speeding ticket in over a decade.

Some of the roads I get to drive on in rural AZ beg for spirited driving. This system makes you undetectable, and our cars don't dive when shredding speed. Got pulled over once on the way to Greer. Officer said, "I couldn't get a speed read on you for about 3 seconds. I say, "Yeah, Passports new detector is amazing!" He smiled and said, nice car, keep it down.

 

The Facebook page took over.

 

I could do a few measurements, and I think a 3" version with one or two filters mounted using this design would be a worthy effort. There is a large difference from the typical MAF/filter setup sucking from the engine bay, to fresh air from outside of the engine bay. There is plenty of protection, only drawback is you have to remove the wheel and inner fender shield to service the filters. But these can run for up to 50K without much loss in flow. They actually filter better dirty. I do service them, but this car doesn't get much mileage, or drive in dusty environments.

We have tested both the 3" and 4" intakes, and without changing the TB, saw no measurable difference in power. We did see a large difference from moving the filter out of the engine bay. This is a worthwhile upgrade.

 

Be interesting to see if you have used any pressure sensors on your setup George. What made him decide to build this setup? Was it from the previous build and not getting enough air? Was it compromsing the tune?
ps...there's a build going on down here that's going to put all before it to shame. Be a few months before any details are revealed but from the snippets I've heard, it will be up about 3 levels from anything else currently running around. That includes Tony G's mega build.

 

How much difference? 5hp? 10hp?

 

The difference is temperature as a baseline. If your running these motors, or any other, in cold climates, differences are marginal at best. The under hood temps on most turbo engine cars are much higher than NA. When you're running a turbo motor like ours with both the header and turbo on each end, the intake temps are warmer than atmospheric readings.

Like all math, the formula for each requires data. In my case, outside temps in the summer from a few feet above asphalt is above 100 degrees Fahrenheit. Engine bay temps can reach over twice outside air temps, and I'm being kind.

With that data known, knew the intake air much cooler shoved into the head would make additional power.

Also, consider the original intake designed. Done for a reason. Made sense to replicate their intent, and that's all we did.

Replicating what we did would likely sell well, but this market has few buyers. Units sold would not change someone's lifestyle, but would be a neat deal for those wanting to replicate the original scrivener intent towards ambient air ingestion.

Notice when it's cool outside, you know/feel the additional torque? Feels much faster? Moving the intake allowing cooler intake temps is an easy HP increase, especially on blown motors.

 

It was just math, flow calculations from the inter-cooler, turbo, etc. The flow-bench measurements calculated the required intake flow rates, then we added another filter for insurance.

 

Tony should saved a few bucks and modified a GMC. I'm hoping the build your sharing has Porsche on it's valve cover (s).

 

Referring to all GM's brands, think it's ten brands today owned/manufactured globally. I'm still pissed the courts allowed the BK - the only "investors" that got paid in full were the Senior Secured Floating Rate owners. GM didn't have a choice, as these were guaranteed by assets of GM:

WHEN GIANT U.S. AUTOMAKER GENERAL MOTORS (GM) WENT INTO BANKRUPTCY, many of its investors were left in the dust. Shares of GM, which peaked above $90 in 2000, became worthless. Shareholders were completely wiped out. Their value went to $0. Holders of GM unsecured bonds — mutual funds, pension funds, hedge funds and bondholders — did not fare much better.
When the federal government stepped in to bail out GM, the company’s $27 billion in unsecured bonds were exchanged for 10% of the stock of the restructured GM and warrants to purchase additional equity. These bondholders, who certainly expected the iconic American automaker to repay its debts in full, experienced almost a complete loss of principal. Bleak indeed.

Remarkably there was one bright spot in GM’s capital structure: senior secured loans. The loans to GM were secured, or backed, by a first priority interest in the company’s equipment, property, plants, intellectual property, receivables and cash. So what happened to these loans?

During bankruptcy court proceedings, it was determined that all of GM’s senior secured debt, approximately $6 billion, would be repaid in full. In other words, while equity and bondholders experienced billions of dollars in losses, investors in the company’s senior secured loans were made whole, even in the direst financial circumstances.

 

Yes, this one does George. Anyway, the owner will make it known all in good time suffice to say it will make mine look like one of those Soap Box derby carts your kids make.