Notices
944 Turbo and Turbo-S Forum 1982-1991
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Clore Automotive

Okay I need the masters analisys #2 rod bearing failure & #4 blown HG failure

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 05-30-2012, 02:18 AM
  #1  
lart951
Basic Sponsor
Rennlist
Site Sponsor

Thread Starter
 
lart951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: California
Posts: 14,445
Received 94 Likes on 55 Posts
Default Okay I need the masters analisys #2 rod bearing failure & #4 blown HG failure

okay let's hear the hypothesis behind the two major problems with the 944 block # 2 rod bearing failure and # 4 blown HG. I want to compile your experience or theory why these two fail so often.
Old 05-30-2012, 07:14 AM
  #2  
nics951
Intermediate
 
nics951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Utah
Posts: 31
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I remember reading this on Lindsey website with the 'steam vent kit' about the head gasket. no experience myself with either of the 2 though.

http://www.lindseyracing.com/LR/Parts/STEAMVENT.html
Old 05-30-2012, 07:16 AM
  #3  
ehall
Addict
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
 
ehall's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: long gone.....
Posts: 17,413
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

aren't those almost universally associated with secondary systems failures. I mean, if the rodn gets chomped, ....umm the rest of this is academic! What ate the rod? What actually, of which you have physical ecidence, happened? Not trying to ne a wize ***....thoiugh you KNOW that I would, just asking?
Old 05-30-2012, 08:41 AM
  #4  
lart951
Basic Sponsor
Rennlist
Site Sponsor

Thread Starter
 
lart951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: California
Posts: 14,445
Received 94 Likes on 55 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by ehall
aren't those almost universally associated with secondary systems failures. I mean, if the rodn gets chomped, ....umm the rest of this is academic! What ate the rod? What actually, of which you have physical ecidence, happened? Not trying to ne a wize ***....thoiugh you KNOW that I would, just asking?
Why does # 2 suffers oil starvation more than 1,3 & 4? Design?
Old 05-30-2012, 09:10 AM
  #5  
gruhsy
Drifting
 
gruhsy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Calgary
Posts: 2,559
Received 51 Likes on 38 Posts
Default

Something to do with how the oil splashes around in the bottom end?????????????? I had Lindsey put their baffle in my oil pan.
Old 05-30-2012, 09:20 AM
  #6  
lee101315
Three Wheelin'
 
lee101315's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Weehawken NJ
Posts: 1,583
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by lart951
Why does # 2 suffers oil starvation more than 1,3 & 4? Design?
The number 2 bearing shares lubrication with the driver side balance shaft and turbo.

Ive found keeping the revs under 6000 keeps the rod bearings happy( and in place )
Old 05-30-2012, 10:06 AM
  #7  
carlege
Drifting
 
carlege's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Atlanta, Ga
Posts: 2,530
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

I was told its because there is a 90 degree turn in the oil path to the #2 rod bearing
Old 05-30-2012, 10:29 AM
  #8  
lart951
Basic Sponsor
Rennlist
Site Sponsor

Thread Starter
 
lart951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: California
Posts: 14,445
Received 94 Likes on 55 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by nics951
I remember reading this on Lindsey website with the 'steam vent kit' about the head gasket. no experience myself with either of the 2 though.

http://www.lindseyracing.com/LR/Parts/STEAMVENT.html
LR products are great no discussion, but I have seen blown hg even with the steam vent kit, so yes it may add protection but it's not a complete solution, so we know it runs hot, and it might be due to the trapped air pocket, but is this a fact or a theory?
Old 05-30-2012, 10:31 AM
  #9  
lart951
Basic Sponsor
Rennlist
Site Sponsor

Thread Starter
 
lart951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: California
Posts: 14,445
Received 94 Likes on 55 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by lee101315
The number 2 bearing shares lubrication with the driver side balance shaft and turbo.

Ive found keeping the revs under 6000 keeps the rod bearings happy( and in place )
so keeping the revs under 6k, explain your theory of why?
Old 05-30-2012, 10:32 AM
  #10  
lart951
Basic Sponsor
Rennlist
Site Sponsor

Thread Starter
 
lart951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: California
Posts: 14,445
Received 94 Likes on 55 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by carlege
I was told its because there is a 90 degree turn in the oil path to the #2 rod bearing
interesting, so cross drilling the crank would solve the issue than?
Old 05-30-2012, 10:33 AM
  #11  
lart951
Basic Sponsor
Rennlist
Site Sponsor

Thread Starter
 
lart951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: California
Posts: 14,445
Received 94 Likes on 55 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by gruhsy
Something to do with how the oil splashes around in the bottom end?????????????? I had Lindsey put their baffle in my oil pan.
and that should stop # 2 failure?
Old 05-30-2012, 10:44 AM
  #12  
ramius665
Rennlist Member
 
ramius665's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Waldorf, MD
Posts: 2,077
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by lart951
interesting, so cross drilling the crank would solve the issue than?
I don't know that there have been enough people with drilled cranks running them in high RPM/high load (racing for example) over the years to really assess the effectiveness.

Maybe you would enlighten us to your desired use?
Old 05-30-2012, 10:58 AM
  #13  
gruhsy
Drifting
 
gruhsy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Calgary
Posts: 2,559
Received 51 Likes on 38 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by lart951
and that should stop # 2 failure?
No I was just thinking about the oils path...which I do not yet know.

Well now this has been posted:

The number 2 bearing shares lubrication with the driver side balance shaft and turbo.

Your question is a good one.....You know more about these engines than me but now you have me thinking and also wanting to know the possible answer.

I have the steam vent kit and cross drilled crank. If I ever get that failure in the future means they didn't stop the problem

My car is steet use only since Calgary no longer has a track I'm not pushing my car hard like track use does.

I am tempted to put a window in one of my spare oil pans to see what goes on with the engine running. I will be buying a car hoist for my new house in August to fit 3 cars allowing me to look underneath while running. No idea if I would be wasting my time but what the hell...its not going to hurt to try.
Old 05-30-2012, 11:01 AM
  #14  
reno808
Rennlist Member
 
reno808's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: In the garage trying to keep boost down
Posts: 8,809
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Seriously lart?!? Chris White wrote this whole thing on it before
Old 05-30-2012, 11:05 AM
  #15  
CyCloNe!
Rennlist Member
 
CyCloNe!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Chesapeake, VA 23322
Posts: 4,124
Received 124 Likes on 105 Posts
Default

im shocked no "search thread" icon.... your getting soft man!


Quick Reply: Okay I need the masters analisys #2 rod bearing failure & #4 blown HG failure



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 05:10 PM.