Notices
944 Turbo and Turbo-S Forum 1982-1991
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Clore Automotive

Engine started after M-Tune install - Slow drop RPM

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 03-31-2012, 09:14 PM
  #31  
refresh951
Rennlist Member
 
refresh951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Marietta, Georgia
Posts: 3,365
Likes: 0
Received 22 Likes on 9 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by black944 turbo
Rogue and everyone else, correct me if I am wrong but with a regular manual boost controller you CAN NOT Run it in Dual port mode unless your controller is specifically made for Dual port. Is this not correct?


I found this out when researching my problem with my tial.

I believe you can run Dual Port, hook up as shown below (Tial 38):

Note: I have the WG supply line coming from the output of the IC but it can be in the stock location at the input to the IC.



Also, here is Tial's diagram:

Old 03-31-2012, 09:35 PM
  #32  
black944 turbo
Rennlist Member
 
black944 turbo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Charlotte
Posts: 4,261
Received 30 Likes on 20 Posts
Default

So Shawn, my manual controller (reliaboost) should work in Dual port? I attempted to hook it up as shown and it was uncontrollable boost. I also have 46 mm if that makes a difference.
Old 03-31-2012, 09:45 PM
  #33  
refresh951
Rennlist Member
 
refresh951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Marietta, Georgia
Posts: 3,365
Likes: 0
Received 22 Likes on 9 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by black944 turbo
So Shawn, my manual controller (reliaboost) should work in Dual port? I attempted to hook it up as shown and it was uncontrollable boost. I also have 46 mm if that makes a difference.
Yep, should work.

Does the reliaboost look like the LR MBC? Basic flow regulator?

http://www.lindseyracing.com/LR/Parts/951BOOST1.html
Old 03-31-2012, 10:21 PM
  #34  
black944 turbo
Rennlist Member
 
black944 turbo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Charlotte
Posts: 4,261
Received 30 Likes on 20 Posts
Default

No, mine is a ball and spring type.

Is there any advantage to running dual vs. single?
Old 03-31-2012, 10:39 PM
  #35  
refresh951
Rennlist Member
 
refresh951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Marietta, Georgia
Posts: 3,365
Likes: 0
Received 22 Likes on 9 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by black944 turbo
No, mine is a ball and spring type.

Is there any advantage to running dual vs. single?
Yes, I think you need to run single port with a ball and spring.
Old 04-01-2012, 02:18 AM
  #36  
Peedster
Racer
Thread Starter
 
Peedster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Sweden
Posts: 407
Likes: 0
Received 13 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

Tom: Im pretty sure the system wasn't working correctly before either. Last summer I only drove it for a few miles and I didn't have a boost gauge then but if remember correctly it boosted quite crazy then too. It's not until now that I understand this though.

But since installing the MBC I've had the lines hooked up exactly like Rogues diagram and got confused when I saw LRs diagram so I changed it to their setup with lines goin opposite.
Will change it to single mode and see what happens now.

Any comments on stuck wastegate? Could this be it?

Refresh951: How many turns does it take your MBC to go from closed to fully open? Mine takes about 3 complete turns and then I can continue turning for a couple of turns without function.
Also my MBC ( looks identical to the LR) closes when turning to "minus" and open when turning "plus". Is this correct?

Thanks
Old 04-01-2012, 02:30 AM
  #37  
Tom M'Guinn

Rennlist Member
 
Tom M'Guinn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Just CA Now :)
Posts: 12,567
Received 535 Likes on 287 Posts
Default

If the lines were backwards, the wastegate could stay open and seem like it's stuck. Try correcting that first.
Old 04-01-2012, 11:24 AM
  #38  
Zeff
Pro
 
Zeff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Asheville, NC
Posts: 684
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

The lindsey diagrams are for their dual port wg. The Tial needs to be run opposite.
Old 04-15-2012, 02:48 PM
  #39  
Peedster
Racer
Thread Starter
 
Peedster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Sweden
Posts: 407
Likes: 0
Received 13 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

Hi guys,

I took off the WG and put compressed air through the side port and the valve opens fully at 0,9 bar and closes fast when the air is shut off.

Also tried to have the MBC setup in single port mode but still overboosts.

I have one last thing to test....switching the WG upside down...
My is pointing upwards to the passenger side of bellhousing.
This means that crossover comes to the side and discharge is in the bottom.

Is this really correct? Anyone have pictures of the correct position?

I also saw that the three pipes that's connected with a metallic 3-leg connector between ISV and MAF were really loose with their original clamps. Maybe it's good to replace those clamps with screw type ones.

/Peter
Old 04-15-2012, 03:10 PM
  #40  
Tom M'Guinn

Rennlist Member
 
Tom M'Guinn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Just CA Now :)
Posts: 12,567
Received 535 Likes on 287 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Peedster
Hi guys,

I took off the WG and put compressed air through the side port and the valve opens fully at 0,9 bar and closes fast when the air is shut off.

Also tried to have the MBC setup in single port mode but still overboosts.

I have one last thing to test....switching the WG upside down...
My is pointing upwards to the passenger side of bellhousing.
This means that crossover comes to the side and discharge is in the bottom.

Is this really correct? Anyone have pictures of the correct position?

I also saw that the three pipes that's connected with a metallic 3-leg connector between ISV and MAF were really loose with their original clamps. Maybe it's good to replace those clamps with screw type ones.

/Peter
Wastegate sounds backwards -- see the Tial illustration in this thread. Here's a picture of my Tial 46mm pipes for reference.
Attached Images  
Old 04-15-2012, 04:43 PM
  #41  
Peedster
Racer
Thread Starter
 
Peedster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Sweden
Posts: 407
Likes: 0
Received 13 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

Yes I have it installed the opposite to you.

The funny thing is that when I mounted it the first time I had like that but someone said it was wrong....

I guess that the exhaust gasses work against the spring in my install causing it to overboost?

Hoping to change any day.

Thanks
Old 04-15-2012, 09:27 PM
  #42  
black944 turbo
Rennlist Member
 
black944 turbo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Charlotte
Posts: 4,261
Received 30 Likes on 20 Posts
Default

You do have a tial, correct? If it is a lindsey dp it will go opposite.
Old 04-16-2012, 11:31 AM
  #43  
Peedster
Racer
Thread Starter
 
Peedster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Sweden
Posts: 407
Likes: 0
Received 13 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

Yes I've got a Tial 38.

So I should install as Tom with crossover connected in the bottom port?

Hoping this will solve boost issue!
Old 04-16-2012, 02:20 PM
  #44  
toddk911
Drive-by provocation guy
Rennlist Member
 
toddk911's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: NAS PAX River, by way of Orlando
Posts: 10,439
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I have seen and read in here more times than not of problems trying to run in Dp mode.

Also, I have yet to hear any feedback of anyone noticing any difference in Dp over single port. Maybe with EBC but never with MBC.
Old 04-21-2012, 05:04 PM
  #45  
Peedster
Racer
Thread Starter
 
Peedster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Sweden
Posts: 407
Likes: 0
Received 13 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

So I installed the Tial the correct way with crossover pipe going to the bottom port and the dump pipe to side port.

This was so tight that the WG scratches the torque-tube and I had to take away the top port banjo and run it in single mode from the side.

So now the boost line goes from banjo on ic-pipes to the MBC and then to the side port on WG.

But it still overboosts.....??

Cant the exhaust pressure push the WG valve open? The spring is only 0,9 bar. I was not able however twitch my fingers push down the valve.

What is still not correct? :-(


Quick Reply: Engine started after M-Tune install - Slow drop RPM



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 03:14 PM.