fast951

Eurospeed951, I'm getting over 400rwhp with a 2.5L, on a 2.8L it should not be a problem. Scanning your list of mods, you have a good base start to work with. Since we are talking about your car in particular, I prefer we do it directly, so feel free to email me.

BoosGuy951, Sorry Vitesse, Inc is the name of the company. Send me a picture of your plate, I'll put it on the web site.

Ski, The picture you are referring to was for a system that was designed and used for over a year now.

Puppan, I'll be glad to send you information on the kits we offer. I'll do it offline. As for shipping, few kits are roaming around Europe. Shipping is dependant on what you get and to where in Europe.

About that WebSite. I'm guilty as charged, it's mainly my fault. The guy that is developing it for us has been waiting on me to provide him with information and content. I guess I better hurry up! At least I can say that developing products, testing them and tuning them is much more fun and way more interesting than showing pretty pictures of products. But will get that website done!

blitz951

Fast951, can I use my guru chips with that MAF piggyback system you have and how much is it?

fast951

blitz951,

Our chips have to be used with this setup.

Perry 951

Ian -

Try a #8 hotside first. It is cheaper than a new turbo. The K27 performs well, but it is dated technology. I am gonna stick with mine, 330 to the wheels is enough for me.

Fast 951 -

Sounds like you have a winner. Keep us posted on the progress with other cars. Consistant results will prove you did your homework and show a quality product.

Congrats!

Luke

Fast 951,

Use any cam grinds? What compressor wheel was used to make 320rwhp @ 16psi?

fast951

Stock cam was used with the stage 1 kit.

NO turbo specs will be given out, sorry. Turbo works with the stock exhaust and it is water & oil cooled.

*eurospeed951*

Well I do not have any of fast951's products, but I will say this. I am VERY pleased with his responce to my questions via email. He kit seems to meet my goals and he is willing to work with my curent setup. I must say that his prices are also very atractive.

AC

Luke, it is not all in the compressor wheel itself. With the proper A/F mixture, you can achieve more RWHP. The only real way to do that other than reprogramming chips after each dyno run is to have sometype of programmable setup. I am in no way affiliated with this product, as the MAF I currently run is Lindsey's Digital MAF and SFR's Turbo. I really like them; however, in time, I would really like the possibilities of having control over more than just the fuel. Anyhow that is my two cents.

Luke

no, alot is in the combo of a/r hot side to turbine.

if your a/f is nailed down, there is only so much tq you can make.

the hp is just (tq X rpm) / 5252

I'm not interested in the Hp figure. tq is all the matters too me. The fact that he makes much more hp than tq , to me would mean that The tq doesn't fall off as dramatically after peak....... which allows hp to continue to increase. (must be a pretty well beathing head....... my limiting factor right now She's tired)

WHICH is what makes me VERY curious....... I made 290rwtq @15psi..... to4e 54trim (stage "III" turbine) and a #6 hotside......

I make pos pressure "really" low and full boost around 3200rpm.

Car still pulls hard to redline witha #6, cuz the 54trim (even though not the best map) flows quite a bit of air.

So with 290rwtq @ 15psi. I should see a solid 295 to 300rwhp with a solid head and a functioning BOV......

This is why i'm curious as too how a 60 trim (flowing 5 more pounds of air a minute with a MUCH nicer chart) would act with a #6 hot side ( same stage 3 turbine)

I beleive most people have the wrong approach with the #8 and # 10 hotsides.

Now if We were talking about a motor that flows LOTS more air like a large disp. V8..... that's a different story.

Next time you see a turbo charge honda in super honda rice tuner or w/e........... look at the turbo, HUGE comp wheel, small a/r ratio'ed hot side. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> ..............our 2.5 8v's dont flow much more air (off boost) than their 2.0 16valver's

DangerIsland

I don't see why anyone would hide the specs or internals of the turbo they are using. There are two ways to sell products and make $.

1) tell everyone very clearly what you are selling, why it does what it does, and how you got there. Then sell it for a price you think is reasonable, and even if people find out you are making $500 on the $2k kit, they will still buy it from you because it's a quality kit that does what it says it will do.

2) Don't disclose how you are making your #s, hide the source of your products, and therefor your margins, in hopes that no one will go out and buy the same turbo on the street and do it themselves.

My point is that anyone who knows enough to go buy one of these turbos themselves, install it, tune it, make chips for it, etc. isn't going to buy your kit anyways, so why hide the source!

I don't have any experience selling car parts, or working for a tuner, but I have worked for companies that sold products that were available from other sources. Hiding costs, suppliers, and sources might work for a quick sale, but in the long run will not help you. Lets say I have $3k to spend. Looking at your kit vs. another kit in which all the parts are disclosed, I am much more likely to buy the other one, if just for the simple reason that I know what I'm buying. If you can't trust your own customers (or potential customers), why should they trust you?

Tell us what turbo you're running, there's no way that information can hurt you, as long as you're providing a quality product for a reasonable price.

Don't rely on secrecy to sell a product, rely on a superior product!!!

*end rant*

I'm looking forward to seeing the website about what exactly you're offering, plus more customer experiences. It sounds like you'll be going up against the Guru364 kit, which is why I pointed out a lot of the disclosure/trust/support things above.

Luke

the people who ask you what the specs are .... AREN"T going to buy from you.....

The people who will buy, most likely, dont CARE what the specs are ( they like numbers like ---!!!!!STAGE UNO!!!!!,....

and the people who you let know that you are "knowledgable" will buy from you and love you, worship you <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

(like DANNO the manno)

Perry 951

Danger -

Very well said. In the end, it is nice to know everything you are getting. The more knowledge for the customer, the better.

That said, whatever package they are putting together has some potential. Nice chart, great power, and if they can do it for $2500, it's a good kit.

But, the test cars so far have not been stock. They had injectors, exhaust, and such. Adding injectors into the kit alone will make it hard to keep priced at $2500, and pay the bills.

Luke

BETTER YET....... if you run a "big shaft" , you can use the T61 comp. wheel in a to4e housing <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

The T61 flows 60 lbs/min,.....

But that would require a true garret T4 center section..... meaning no watercooling.

fast951

I appreciate the inputs from you guys. Disclosing the specs on a public forum is not very smart. Other tuners will use the information, so here goes your R&D.. Not very smart, is it?
My products are reliable, well engineered and deliver as promised.
If you think that it takes a website to make a car perform, then my kit is not for you!!

Again, thank you for the great ideas.

Luke

anybody can buy what you sell, else where, if this is what you are worried about.....you have to realize that people are actually buying a "service" from you. ( not a turbo they can get elsewhere )

I wish you luck with your business, but it might take a website for your business to perform <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />