Link EFIsystems, Link 1 & 2
06-16-2003, 11:09 PM
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In this case I give RCLdesign full right if it is true what he is saying.
a system with problems that is suposed to work right is nothing for a good reliable Geramn car. Porsche wins all Le Mans race because of teh reliability and what ever I put in my car must be reliable.
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a system with problems that is suposed to work right is nothing for a good reliable Geramn car. Porsche wins all Le Mans race because of teh reliability and what ever I put in my car must be reliable.
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06-16-2003, 11:44 PM
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Konstantin,
believe what you want. Just make sure you get the facts, not some kids idea of what really is happening. BTW, this kid rcldesign, works for Huntley and they can't get anything working with a Link. Even the most common system of which Link sells lots of, well proven and tested, Huntely can't get working. Seems this kid has alot to do with this. I now know why Everready put a + and - on flash light batteries, so Doughnuts like this guy won't put them in backwards.
Konstantin, call Link or Email them. They will tell you the truth, and tell you what the problem was and what they did to fix it. BTW, all EFI systems often have problems on new applications. As for your questions, the software work fine, and the Link 1 & 2 are used on many other engines besides Porsche's.
I was in at Link the evening and brought them up to speed about what this kid is stating. They dismissed what he is saying as they know he has nothing constuctive to add. These people are serous people, not interested in some kids bad mouthing.
believe what you want. Just make sure you get the facts, not some kids idea of what really is happening. BTW, this kid rcldesign, works for Huntley and they can't get anything working with a Link. Even the most common system of which Link sells lots of, well proven and tested, Huntely can't get working. Seems this kid has alot to do with this. I now know why Everready put a + and - on flash light batteries, so Doughnuts like this guy won't put them in backwards.
Konstantin, call Link or Email them. They will tell you the truth, and tell you what the problem was and what they did to fix it. BTW, all EFI systems often have problems on new applications. As for your questions, the software work fine, and the Link 1 & 2 are used on many other engines besides Porsche's.
I was in at Link the evening and brought them up to speed about what this kid is stating. They dismissed what he is saying as they know he has nothing constuctive to add. These people are serous people, not interested in some kids bad mouthing.
06-17-2003, 04:12 AM
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First of all, I am not a Huntley Racing employee. I have never been a Huntley Racing employee. I work for a company called Nokia. I write RF tuning software. I have also written DSP software for their CDMA (IS2000) engine. I've been there for almost 4 years now.
Secondly, yes, I am relativly young. I'm all of 23.
I have extensive knowledge of the internals of EFI systems, their software systems, operation, implementation, etc. If I didn't work for a great company to work for that paid so damn well, and was convienently located in San Diego, I'd probably be working on EFI systems, but with my education and experience, I would probably be working on wireless telemetry or something of that nature.
I am just calling it how I see it here. If there is a fix, where are the results? Any dyno charts anywhere from anyone?
Someone is not being honest here. Either their isn't a fix (Link is lying), there are no units to distribute (which has got to be BS since their current units only need a new software written to it - you can get those Motorola processors the next business day with out a problem), or all the tuners that use these systems are incompitent.
Derrek and Danno - are you guys incapable of tuning EFI systems? I don't think so. I'm sure you both could do it. Why haven't either of you posted a SINGLE dyno chart of a Link car? Derrek you have your own dyno - you don't have to pay to use it. SO where are the results? Danno, I don't know what your dyno usage deal is, but I'm sure if you wanted to, you could have access to a dyno to tune these things on. I know HR has cars sitting there, waiting for EFI systmes to be installed. Guru apparently has test cars ready to go. So where are the results? Oh, that's right, there are none. Why? Because neither of them have working Link EFI systems.
I have an idea... how about someone from Link e-mail me a version of their software. I'll sign an NDA, no problem. I'll personally burn some new software on to a Motorolla 6800 series microcontroller, and install it in a LinkPlus at HR, and we'll see if it actually works. Of course this isn't going to happen - if I was them, I wouldn't do it just for the sake of protecting intellectual property, so no big deal if they don't take me up on my offer.
Feel free to try and look down on my intellegence and continue to placate me because of my age. Have fun with your age discrimination... why not be a true a$$ and make fun of my religion or race or something. I really don't care if my complaints are dismissed by a particular manufacturer. When I was on the phone with them discribing the initial problem, they claimed I didn't know how to use an oscilloscope properly. When I said "sine wave", I was given a response of "a sine wave? Is that a slinky". Real professional. Real knowledgable about high school math.
Of course I have nothing constructive to add to their sales pitch. In fact, how's this...
THIS KID WILL NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES BE BUYING AN ENGINEMANAGEMENT SYSTEM FROM LINK ELECTROSYSTEMS.
I'm sure that is an appreciated solution for everyone. Rather, this kid will be buying from a company that doesn't suck so much. You don't see these kinds of wars flaring up about Motec, Haltec, Wolf, Electromotive, SDS, F.A.S.T., etc. This seems to be a very specific Link problem, now doesn't it?
Well, I'll leave things at that for now. This whole argument is so incredibly pointless. Bottom line: their stuff does not currently work. And if it does, as you claim it does, there is NO proof. I know a guy that used to work for PD.
Apparently, they're pretty good at spinning a good one. Ask them about the time they built a motor for this guy's SCCA championship and when they got it to the track they couldn't get the EFI system to work, he missed his race, and lost the championship. All while being charged an arm and a leg for it.
You know the Link ignightors? Peel the sticker off. They're made by another company in Australia, and the Link sticker is put on it. Of course you get to pay more for the sticker.
Then, there's the whole "no tech support unless you buy our harness". What kind of crap is that? "Hi, I just bought your EFI system, and I'm a little confused about one of the configuration options" "Did you buy our harness?" "No." "Sorry, we can't help you."
I could go on and on, but I'll leave it alone for now. My final words: Buyer beware. Call them up, and listen for the little cough-cough. When you hear it, you know something is not the truth. Its funny how accurate this actually is... ha!
Secondly, yes, I am relativly young. I'm all of 23.
I have extensive knowledge of the internals of EFI systems, their software systems, operation, implementation, etc. If I didn't work for a great company to work for that paid so damn well, and was convienently located in San Diego, I'd probably be working on EFI systems, but with my education and experience, I would probably be working on wireless telemetry or something of that nature.
I am just calling it how I see it here. If there is a fix, where are the results? Any dyno charts anywhere from anyone?
Someone is not being honest here. Either their isn't a fix (Link is lying), there are no units to distribute (which has got to be BS since their current units only need a new software written to it - you can get those Motorola processors the next business day with out a problem), or all the tuners that use these systems are incompitent.
Derrek and Danno - are you guys incapable of tuning EFI systems? I don't think so. I'm sure you both could do it. Why haven't either of you posted a SINGLE dyno chart of a Link car? Derrek you have your own dyno - you don't have to pay to use it. SO where are the results? Danno, I don't know what your dyno usage deal is, but I'm sure if you wanted to, you could have access to a dyno to tune these things on. I know HR has cars sitting there, waiting for EFI systmes to be installed. Guru apparently has test cars ready to go. So where are the results? Oh, that's right, there are none. Why? Because neither of them have working Link EFI systems.
I have an idea... how about someone from Link e-mail me a version of their software. I'll sign an NDA, no problem. I'll personally burn some new software on to a Motorolla 6800 series microcontroller, and install it in a LinkPlus at HR, and we'll see if it actually works. Of course this isn't going to happen - if I was them, I wouldn't do it just for the sake of protecting intellectual property, so no big deal if they don't take me up on my offer.
Feel free to try and look down on my intellegence and continue to placate me because of my age. Have fun with your age discrimination... why not be a true a$$ and make fun of my religion or race or something. I really don't care if my complaints are dismissed by a particular manufacturer. When I was on the phone with them discribing the initial problem, they claimed I didn't know how to use an oscilloscope properly. When I said "sine wave", I was given a response of "a sine wave? Is that a slinky". Real professional. Real knowledgable about high school math.
Of course I have nothing constructive to add to their sales pitch. In fact, how's this...
THIS KID WILL NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES BE BUYING AN ENGINEMANAGEMENT SYSTEM FROM LINK ELECTROSYSTEMS.
I'm sure that is an appreciated solution for everyone. Rather, this kid will be buying from a company that doesn't suck so much. You don't see these kinds of wars flaring up about Motec, Haltec, Wolf, Electromotive, SDS, F.A.S.T., etc. This seems to be a very specific Link problem, now doesn't it?
Well, I'll leave things at that for now. This whole argument is so incredibly pointless. Bottom line: their stuff does not currently work. And if it does, as you claim it does, there is NO proof. I know a guy that used to work for PD.
Apparently, they're pretty good at spinning a good one. Ask them about the time they built a motor for this guy's SCCA championship and when they got it to the track they couldn't get the EFI system to work, he missed his race, and lost the championship. All while being charged an arm and a leg for it.
You know the Link ignightors? Peel the sticker off. They're made by another company in Australia, and the Link sticker is put on it. Of course you get to pay more for the sticker.
Then, there's the whole "no tech support unless you buy our harness". What kind of crap is that? "Hi, I just bought your EFI system, and I'm a little confused about one of the configuration options" "Did you buy our harness?" "No." "Sorry, we can't help you."
I could go on and on, but I'll leave it alone for now. My final words: Buyer beware. Call them up, and listen for the little cough-cough. When you hear it, you know something is not the truth. Its funny how accurate this actually is... ha!
06-17-2003, 04:32 AM
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If you guys want to see A LOT more discussion on engine management systems, check out the 'engine management' section of <a href="http://performanceforums.com" target="_blank">performanceforums.com</a>. It's primarily an Australian based board, but since most of the aftermarket engine management systems that we are interested are made over there, that's probably a good thing.
Oh, and, you may see the guy I lifted my avatar from. <img border="0" alt="[oops]" title="" src="graemlins/oops.gif" />
Oh, and, you may see the guy I lifted my avatar from. <img border="0" alt="[oops]" title="" src="graemlins/oops.gif" />
06-17-2003, 12:35 PM
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RCLdesign you must be out of your mind! To say link has no working system ive tested ran and sell the LINK systems I also supply to the public free tec support. How about i come down and give you a ride then we wont have to waste our time here bad mouthing. Lets pull the sticker off that huntly turbo!! And why do you constantly say you dont work for huntly when you answer the phone there every day? this all sounds very huntlyish
06-17-2003, 03:51 PM
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Superjet - call Huntley any time you want. I do not work there. Period. I'm there on Saturdays to work on my stuff, and if Derrek needs a hand, I help him out. Again, I don't work there. About your working system... bring it down. I would like to see it running. Actually, how about I meet you in the middle? I'll be at California Speedway this weekend with HSR West. Feel free to come on down and show me that I'm wrong.
BoostGuy - finally some possible answers. I would be interested in how things work out with the new version.
BoostGuy - finally some possible answers. I would be interested in how things work out with the new version.
06-17-2003, 06:09 PM
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Have you thought of going with a piggy back system for the engine your building and would it work? I have seen some that control fuel, spark and boost. I ask because it looks like you have looked at alot of options but left this one out.
Have you thought of going with a piggy back system for the engine your building and would it work? I have seen some that control fuel, spark and boost. I ask because it looks like you have looked at alot of options but left this one out.
06-17-2003, 06:47 PM
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Some piggyback systems are great. I really like the Unichip (only problem is that you can only get it tuned by authorized dealers). There are a couple of reasons I'm not going with a piggyback system. First of all, you get to hack in to your stock harness to install it. My stock harness is old, brittle, and otherwise not in good condition. Getting rid of it would be key. Secondly, tapping in to a stock harness is messy... wires everywhere... lots of soldering (or not as good vampire connectors). Third, EFI systems offer more 'control' based on things like temperature sensors, often have accessory inputs and outputs, etc. Next is the fact that a piggy back still has to deal with the limitations of the stock computer. For example, when the ignition driver (a big transistor in the DME) gets hot, it starts acting up. I have some other small reasons, but I think you get the jist of why I have decided to go stand alone.
In your application, a piggyback might be the way to go. They are generally much cheaper, easier to install, less complicated, and some can be very good about providing functionality and programability to your stock computer.
My experience with piggybacks is somewhat limited. The Link stuff works well (I currently have an InterceptLink) but only controls fuel, the Unichip kicks major a$$ since it controls fuel, timing, etc., and its laptop programmable, the old Split Second stuff is analog, and I havn't tried their newer digital stuff, but I understand that it is not realtime and does not interpolate your maps (which is a BIG draw back), the Apexi stuff is good, but then you have to find a place to put the screen (rather than a discrete box), and from what I hear the UI is rather non-intuitive.
My opinion is that if you are planning to do a lot of stuff to the motor (intake, turbo, maybe the motor itself, injectors, etc.) stand alone is the way to go because it will allow you to grow and change things.
On the other hand, if you only plan on doing a small finite amout of work to the motor (such as intake or turbo, or some other 'small' modification), then a good piggy back will do you well. Fuel and timing control should be mandatory unless you plan on spending a lot of time to have custom chips burned for their timing properties, otherwise you'll have to compromise timing and have fuel control (this is what I had before the motor project started).
Some people like electronic boost control, others like a more manual approach. I think each has its benifits and draw backs. I went with a manual option since it was much cheaper and much simpler, and in the end it gets the job done. If you are in an area with wet/snowy weather, an electronic control might be better suited since you can control the boost curve up to a certain point.
Just some things to think about.
In your application, a piggyback might be the way to go. They are generally much cheaper, easier to install, less complicated, and some can be very good about providing functionality and programability to your stock computer.
My experience with piggybacks is somewhat limited. The Link stuff works well (I currently have an InterceptLink) but only controls fuel, the Unichip kicks major a$$ since it controls fuel, timing, etc., and its laptop programmable, the old Split Second stuff is analog, and I havn't tried their newer digital stuff, but I understand that it is not realtime and does not interpolate your maps (which is a BIG draw back), the Apexi stuff is good, but then you have to find a place to put the screen (rather than a discrete box), and from what I hear the UI is rather non-intuitive.
My opinion is that if you are planning to do a lot of stuff to the motor (intake, turbo, maybe the motor itself, injectors, etc.) stand alone is the way to go because it will allow you to grow and change things.
On the other hand, if you only plan on doing a small finite amout of work to the motor (such as intake or turbo, or some other 'small' modification), then a good piggy back will do you well. Fuel and timing control should be mandatory unless you plan on spending a lot of time to have custom chips burned for their timing properties, otherwise you'll have to compromise timing and have fuel control (this is what I had before the motor project started).
Some people like electronic boost control, others like a more manual approach. I think each has its benifits and draw backs. I went with a manual option since it was much cheaper and much simpler, and in the end it gets the job done. If you are in an area with wet/snowy weather, an electronic control might be better suited since you can control the boost curve up to a certain point.
Just some things to think about.
06-17-2003, 09:26 PM
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RCLDesign- I have no idea of the reasoning behind the things you are saying. You seem like you are on a personal vendetta against Link/Performance Developments.
Performance Developments has been tuning 911s, 930s, 996TTs for years. This product, the "Link 1", has been managing the engines in these cars for years. They have never applied this tried and true product to the 944 series before. I simply cannot believe that you expect them to do so without any bugs whatsoever. They have been working many late hours to trying to fix the triggering problem that was plagueing the use of Link ECUs in 951s. I had Neil return a number of my calls well past 9:00 PM because he had been working overtime to rectify this problem.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica"> Someone is not being honest here. Either their isn't a fix (Link is lying), there are no units to distribute (which has got to be BS since their current units only need a new software written to it - you can get those Motorola processors the next business day with out a problem), or all the tuners that use these systems are incompitent.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">What the hell are you talking about here? My corrected Link box is in the mail as we speak.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I'm sure that is an appreciated solution for everyone. Rather, this kid will be buying from a company that doesn't suck so much. You don't see these kinds of wars flaring up about Motec, Haltec, Wolf, Electromotive, SDS, F.A.S.T., etc. This seems to be a very specific Link problem, now doesn't it?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">You start bitching and badmouthing a company for the unforgivable crime of having bugs in a new product. How does this equate to a war flaring up? Do you think all of those companies that you listed never had problems implementing a new product?
Link Electrosystems sells hundreds of Link boxes a month. You can see these ECUs on just about any type of car you can imagine. They don't have these kinds of problems with most of them. This whole ordeal is due to the strange triggering system of the 951. As soon as Link became aware of this, they had engineers all over the problem, and didn't stop until it was fixed. Yes, they are REAL engineers, too.
They flew people in from New Zealand, just to get this done a little faster.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Then, there's the whole "no tech support unless you buy our harness". What kind of crap is that? "Hi, I just bought your EFI system, and I'm a little confused about one of the configuration options" "Did you buy our harness?" "No." "Sorry, we can't help you."
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Are you even talking about the same company? When Danno sent me my Link 1, which was a butchered Link circuit board inside a Motronic box, Neil was the ONLY person that would help me get things right.
I did not have a link harness. I did not have a Link 1 box, I had a sad shadow of what used to be a Link ECU, that did not work. Neil bent over backwards to make things right. He took the butchered ECU, and gave me back a brand new ECU and Harness, and didn't charge me a dime for it! He did all of this and he was not even the one who sold me the product! I have never seen such excellent customer support as I got with Performance Developments.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Call them up, and listen for the little cough-cough. When you hear it, you know something is not the truth. Its funny how accurate this actually is... ha!
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">This statement pisses me off more than all the rest. You have abolutely no clue what you are talking about. Neil has not only displayed the most integrity and honesty of ANY tuner I have ever dealt with, he is actually one of the most honest people that I have met in my life.
After what this man has done for me, I take it as a personal insult that you would so blatantly call him a liar.
In the future, I will be doing all of my business with Neil at Performance Developments.
Performance Developments has been tuning 911s, 930s, 996TTs for years. This product, the "Link 1", has been managing the engines in these cars for years. They have never applied this tried and true product to the 944 series before. I simply cannot believe that you expect them to do so without any bugs whatsoever. They have been working many late hours to trying to fix the triggering problem that was plagueing the use of Link ECUs in 951s. I had Neil return a number of my calls well past 9:00 PM because he had been working overtime to rectify this problem.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica"> Someone is not being honest here. Either their isn't a fix (Link is lying), there are no units to distribute (which has got to be BS since their current units only need a new software written to it - you can get those Motorola processors the next business day with out a problem), or all the tuners that use these systems are incompitent.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">What the hell are you talking about here? My corrected Link box is in the mail as we speak.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I'm sure that is an appreciated solution for everyone. Rather, this kid will be buying from a company that doesn't suck so much. You don't see these kinds of wars flaring up about Motec, Haltec, Wolf, Electromotive, SDS, F.A.S.T., etc. This seems to be a very specific Link problem, now doesn't it?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">You start bitching and badmouthing a company for the unforgivable crime of having bugs in a new product. How does this equate to a war flaring up? Do you think all of those companies that you listed never had problems implementing a new product?
Link Electrosystems sells hundreds of Link boxes a month. You can see these ECUs on just about any type of car you can imagine. They don't have these kinds of problems with most of them. This whole ordeal is due to the strange triggering system of the 951. As soon as Link became aware of this, they had engineers all over the problem, and didn't stop until it was fixed. Yes, they are REAL engineers, too.
They flew people in from New Zealand, just to get this done a little faster.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Then, there's the whole "no tech support unless you buy our harness". What kind of crap is that? "Hi, I just bought your EFI system, and I'm a little confused about one of the configuration options" "Did you buy our harness?" "No." "Sorry, we can't help you."
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Are you even talking about the same company? When Danno sent me my Link 1, which was a butchered Link circuit board inside a Motronic box, Neil was the ONLY person that would help me get things right.
I did not have a link harness. I did not have a Link 1 box, I had a sad shadow of what used to be a Link ECU, that did not work. Neil bent over backwards to make things right. He took the butchered ECU, and gave me back a brand new ECU and Harness, and didn't charge me a dime for it! He did all of this and he was not even the one who sold me the product! I have never seen such excellent customer support as I got with Performance Developments.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Call them up, and listen for the little cough-cough. When you hear it, you know something is not the truth. Its funny how accurate this actually is... ha!
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">This statement pisses me off more than all the rest. You have abolutely no clue what you are talking about. Neil has not only displayed the most integrity and honesty of ANY tuner I have ever dealt with, he is actually one of the most honest people that I have met in my life.
After what this man has done for me, I take it as a personal insult that you would so blatantly call him a liar.
In the future, I will be doing all of my business with Neil at Performance Developments.
06-17-2003, 09:57 PM
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I have to say all this mud slinging all over Rennlist is getting confusing for me <img border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" title="" src="graemlins/cussing.gif" /> Ok lets see if I have this right Neil owns Performance Developments which IS Link USA?? and is a full performance shop also according to the motor building thread and Travis works for him now?????
I know I have ben talking with Danno for a long time now waiting for the Link2 fully setup for sequential fuel and ignition and all the other benifits of the Link2. So is this being tested or is it a reality now or what??
I know I have ben talking with Danno for a long time now waiting for the Link2 fully setup for sequential fuel and ignition and all the other benifits of the Link2. So is this being tested or is it a reality now or what??
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First things first.
Your corrected Link box might be in the mail. Cool. Let us all know if it works when you get it.
I'm sure that they flew in engineers from New Zeland. How else are they going to get the problem fixed? Wasn't the whole engineer thing on another thread and not in regards to the Link systems?
The no tech support without harness thing is fairly recent. It was discussed in a letter that was sent to Huntley Racing, and I assume other tuners as well. I might be able to convince someone that got the letter to post it if you still don't believe me. But, this is the truth.
I just love being called a liar, especially when I haven't said a single thing that was not true. (well, the coughing thing was sort of an opinionated stretch, but other than that I am factually correct). Anyone else want to jump on the bandwagon here, and claim that I'm full of it? How about someone else saying that I work for HR? That's a good one; one of my favorites, in fact. You can reach me at my 'work' number: (619) 448-3800.
Bottom line: There may be a fix. The product was said to have worked (and to have been fully tuned) months ago - they (noone for that matter) admitted there was a problem. Not until the sh** hit the fan, as it were. Sorry to have to be the whistle blower here, but I've been waiting for a LONG time to get a good, affordable, plug and play EFI solution. Link's proposition was VERY attractive. I was told it works. I was led to believe that it did work - but it didn't!
You are all missing my reasoning here. Some people have lied to all of us, saying that such and such product works and has been tested... looks like the testing was flawed, forged, or never really done.
I can tolerate bugs. But this problem was a MAJOR flaw... not quite a typical bug that an end user should EVER see! Any half-way descent testing program should be able to find a problem like this very easily. What kind of company releases a product without testing it? What kind of phliosophy is that? This is what pisses me off. By releasing the product, not acknowledging the problem when it appeared by saying that it was tested and the user was doing something wrong is NOT the way to identify and fix bugs! It is NOT the customer's fault if a product does not meet its functional requirements. It is the manufacturer's fault. If you disagree with that, then what can I say? Email me and I'll gladly sell you broken stuff and claim that you're just too incompitent to know how to use it.
Your corrected Link box might be in the mail. Cool. Let us all know if it works when you get it.
I'm sure that they flew in engineers from New Zeland. How else are they going to get the problem fixed? Wasn't the whole engineer thing on another thread and not in regards to the Link systems?
The no tech support without harness thing is fairly recent. It was discussed in a letter that was sent to Huntley Racing, and I assume other tuners as well. I might be able to convince someone that got the letter to post it if you still don't believe me. But, this is the truth.
I just love being called a liar, especially when I haven't said a single thing that was not true. (well, the coughing thing was sort of an opinionated stretch, but other than that I am factually correct). Anyone else want to jump on the bandwagon here, and claim that I'm full of it? How about someone else saying that I work for HR? That's a good one; one of my favorites, in fact. You can reach me at my 'work' number: (619) 448-3800.
Bottom line: There may be a fix. The product was said to have worked (and to have been fully tuned) months ago - they (noone for that matter) admitted there was a problem. Not until the sh** hit the fan, as it were. Sorry to have to be the whistle blower here, but I've been waiting for a LONG time to get a good, affordable, plug and play EFI solution. Link's proposition was VERY attractive. I was told it works. I was led to believe that it did work - but it didn't!
You are all missing my reasoning here. Some people have lied to all of us, saying that such and such product works and has been tested... looks like the testing was flawed, forged, or never really done.
I can tolerate bugs. But this problem was a MAJOR flaw... not quite a typical bug that an end user should EVER see! Any half-way descent testing program should be able to find a problem like this very easily. What kind of company releases a product without testing it? What kind of phliosophy is that? This is what pisses me off. By releasing the product, not acknowledging the problem when it appeared by saying that it was tested and the user was doing something wrong is NOT the way to identify and fix bugs! It is NOT the customer's fault if a product does not meet its functional requirements. It is the manufacturer's fault. If you disagree with that, then what can I say? Email me and I'll gladly sell you broken stuff and claim that you're just too incompitent to know how to use it.