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Old 10-06-2011, 01:00 AM
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Can't you get those faster blocks from someone parting out their car?
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Originally Posted by ninefiveone
What was your issue with the castor blocks? I ask because I went with steel arm castor blocks with Weltmeister poly bushings and after only 6 track days, they are pretty torn up.

I'm planning to go with racer's edge spherical bearings next but wanted to know what you're running.
Control arm kit:
http://www.paragon-products.com/Cont....153d-race.htm

"... includes 2 steel arms, the front Racers Edge Delrin bushings and the rear Weltmeister polygraphite bushings."

Caster blocks:
http://www.paragon-products.com/Cont...77.407.169.htm

The only issue with the caster blocks is that they are $72 each.
Old 10-06-2011, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by 86 951 Driver
Can't you get those faster blocks from someone parting out their car?
Should be possible. Just have to make sure to go back far enough in the 944 or 924 line to get the right ones.
Old 10-06-2011, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by YZ250
Control arm kit:
http://www.paragon-products.com/Cont....153d-race.htm

"... includes 2 steel arms, the front Racers Edge Delrin bushings and the rear Weltmeister polygraphite bushings."

Caster blocks:
http://www.paragon-products.com/Cont...77.407.169.htm

The only issue with the caster blocks is that they are $72 each.

Yeah. That's what I'm talking about and already have on the car. Doesn't work for heavy track usage.

$140 for a set of castor blocks + $20 for bushings isn't bad, in my opinion. If you're not tracking the car heavily, they work well and are affordable.

The racer's edge spherical bearings I'm moving to are $380 a set.
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I don't like spericals in the rear control arm pockets as the inner bushing mount nuts are spot welded an break easily due to the harsh vibrations. They are a nighmare to repair. I have not tried Delrin in the rear bushings. Does anyone have experience with them?
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Originally Posted by ninefiveone
Yeah. That's what I'm talking about and already have on the car. Doesn't work for heavy track usage.
It may not have worked for you, but it works fine for me. So far, I have about 20 track days on the setup, mostly PCA club racing, with no issues and no visible wear.
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Originally Posted by YZ250
It may not have worked for you, but it works fine for me. So far, I have about 20 track days on the setup, mostly PCA club racing, with no issues and no visible wear.
I assume in PCA club racing you're using something similar to a spec 944 setup? I wonder if that's the difference. I'm running 255's and stiff coilovers. 3.0L motor might be exposing the bushings to a lot more heat too.

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I don't like spericals in the rear control arm pockets as the inner bushing mount nuts are spot welded an break easily due to the harsh vibrations. They are a nighmare to repair. I have not tried Delrin in the rear bushings. Does anyone have experience with them?
I share that concern. I don't know of a delrin solution for the rear bushing on early a-arms. Would love to find one.
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So no-one makes a Delrin rear Bushing?
Old 10-06-2011, 01:38 PM
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Doesn't look that way. Does anyone know the diameter difference between the caster end of the aluminum arms and the steel arms?
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The alloy arm caster pin is 19mm diameter (inside arm) and 18mm diameter that inserts into the block. I'm going to build a set of arms that include the caster pin mechanism, although I have seen many factory pin tab locations that all point down (zero caster) anyways. Having that 18mm dia. pin opens up many caster block options.
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Originally Posted by xschop
The alloy arm caster pin is 19mm diameter (inside arm) and 18mm diameter that inserts into the block. I'm going to build a set of arms that include the caster pin mechanism, although I have seen many factory pin tab locations that all point down (zero caster) anyways. Having that 18mm dia. pin opens up many caster block options.
Now you're talking! I'd be interested.
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Originally Posted by ninefiveone
I assume in PCA club racing you're using something similar to a spec 944 setup? I wonder if that's the difference. I'm running 255's and stiff coilovers. 3.0L motor might be exposing the bushings to a lot more heat too.
Stock turbo power and weight with 245/275 tires and 550 lb springs.
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Originally Posted by YZ250
Stock turbo power and weight with 245/275 tires and 550 lb springs.
So I've got a little more tire in front, moderately more spring (700 lb), and a lot more power. Maybe just enough together to cause problems with the bushings.
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I am also going to make them accept replaceable 17mm and 19mm Ball-joints but I'm still on the fence weather I will make a U-joint adapter bracket that allows for both the Early and Late offsets like the RX7 arms I modded or if I'll machine each set accordingly...Input?



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I also have these A arms in my shop. (And a hood on my roof. lol) But.. Those ball joints are really hanging out there. The RX7 Arms themselves are truly nice forged pieces.


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