History of 951 at Le Mans
#32
"In an '87 or 88' issue of Automobile magazine, the magazine featured an article pitting the 944 Turbo S2(Yes, S2, w/16v head) against a 930 turbo. From what I recall, it was an interesting read - the 951 beat the 930 in just about every test."
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Given that the 944 TurboS pretty much kicked the 930's *** in outright performance (2-sec/lap @ Willow Springs is about 1 football-field ahead per lap), a 944 TurboS2 with 4-valve heads would have completely killed it. Gains from a 4-valve head are typically 20-30% for the same displacement all else being equal.
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Given that the 944 TurboS pretty much kicked the 930's *** in outright performance (2-sec/lap @ Willow Springs is about 1 football-field ahead per lap), a 944 TurboS2 with 4-valve heads would have completely killed it. Gains from a 4-valve head are typically 20-30% for the same displacement all else being equal.
#34
[quote]Originally posted by Mike S.:
<strong>To me, the 924GTP is a part of the 951 heritage. As Transaxle said, "For me, there is just one single history & development line from the 924 to the 931,937,939,944,951,968..." IMHO, this is no different than the 356 to 996 development line. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Agreed. Just leave out the 986 as the continuation of that line. Our cars obviously have no relation to the marketing-generated little roadster with zero racing heritage AKA the Boxster.
P.S. Transaxle: I enjoyed your page.
<strong>To me, the 924GTP is a part of the 951 heritage. As Transaxle said, "For me, there is just one single history & development line from the 924 to the 931,937,939,944,951,968..." IMHO, this is no different than the 356 to 996 development line. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Agreed. Just leave out the 986 as the continuation of that line. Our cars obviously have no relation to the marketing-generated little roadster with zero racing heritage AKA the Boxster.
P.S. Transaxle: I enjoyed your page.
#35
[quote]Originally posted by Sean Hall:
<strong>In an '87 or 88' issue of Automobile magazine, the magazine featured an article pitting the 944 Turbo S2(Yes, S2, w/16v head) against a 930 turbo.
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I don't know any official 16V 944 turbo from Porsche. Even the 968 turbo S and RS used the 951-style 8V head.
Somebody told me, Porsche developed some 16V prototype engines at that time, but they never made it into a production car. Would be great to get some information about that article....
<strong>In an '87 or 88' issue of Automobile magazine, the magazine featured an article pitting the 944 Turbo S2(Yes, S2, w/16v head) against a 930 turbo.
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I don't know any official 16V 944 turbo from Porsche. Even the 968 turbo S and RS used the 951-style 8V head.
Somebody told me, Porsche developed some 16V prototype engines at that time, but they never made it into a production car. Would be great to get some information about that article....
#37
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I've always said I would love to get a 968 and turbo charge it. I have also read as it seems many others in here have, that guys are getting 450-500hp easily with turbo 968.
I love the body parts of the 944GTP. I have been contemplating putting the GT scoop on my hood, but on the proper side for our intake. I want it to look good though, so not in a rush. I love the silver intakes in the fog light holes. What are those intake for??? Intercooler? Brake ducts??? I rarely use my fog lights now. Might be something I will look into. <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />
I love the body parts of the 944GTP. I have been contemplating putting the GT scoop on my hood, but on the proper side for our intake. I want it to look good though, so not in a rush. I love the silver intakes in the fog light holes. What are those intake for??? Intercooler? Brake ducts??? I rarely use my fog lights now. Might be something I will look into. <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />
#38
[quote]Originally posted by toddk911:
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... I love the silver intakes in the fog light holes. What are those intake for??? Intercooler? Brake ducts??? I rarely use my fog lights now. Might be something I will look into.
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The intakes are used to cool down the breaks. There are large advantages in breaking performance on the race track, if you cool the brakes actively.
Take a look at the intercooler too. It's all intercooler you can see behind the body-holes. Three times larger than stock.
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... I love the silver intakes in the fog light holes. What are those intake for??? Intercooler? Brake ducts??? I rarely use my fog lights now. Might be something I will look into.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
The intakes are used to cool down the breaks. There are large advantages in breaking performance on the race track, if you cool the brakes actively.
Take a look at the intercooler too. It's all intercooler you can see behind the body-holes. Three times larger than stock.
#40
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Transaxle:
I would be surprised, if any GTS owner would deal with the trade... <img border="0" alt="[nono]" title="" src="graemlins/nono.gif" />
But who knows ... ? Good luck.. [/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">I know...but I'm the eternal optomist (or would that be dreamer!).
Mike
I would be surprised, if any GTS owner would deal with the trade... <img border="0" alt="[nono]" title="" src="graemlins/nono.gif" />
But who knows ... ? Good luck.. [/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">I know...but I'm the eternal optomist (or would that be dreamer!).
Mike