How many of you have had rebuilds?
04-21-2002, 03:49 PM
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119,XXX currently. Had the top end rebuilt at 87,XXX due to thrown timing belt <img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[crying]" />
Ive rebuilt/replaced almost everything except the trans though
Was daily driven w/ no problems. (now its enjoying garage time)
Ive rebuilt/replaced almost everything except the trans though
Was daily driven w/ no problems. (now its enjoying garage time)
04-22-2002, 10:55 AM
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My rebuild wasn't due to issues, merely prep work for upgrades.
bottom end in still stock - and the thing looked almost new inside.
86 with 140k.
HTH!
bottom end in still stock - and the thing looked almost new inside.
86 with 140k.
HTH!
04-22-2002, 09:47 PM
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My first 951 with 200k has never been rebuilt, however I did a head gasket and oil cooler seals on it. This car has had a full year of Huntley Stage MAF system and high boost pressures (15-16psi) as well as a little track time.
My second 951 now has 49k and has only had a t-belt done it, but is in the shop as we speak for a center force clutch upgrade and flywheel.
My second 951 now has 49k and has only had a t-belt done it, but is in the shop as we speak for a center force clutch upgrade and flywheel.
05-18-2002, 01:11 AM
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My '88 951 has 162K on it and has never been rebuilt, to my knowledge. It runs great, but does have slight oil leaks from the cam carrier and turbo, and also has an exhaust leak where a stud is missing from the header. Due to the high estimated cost to get these repairs done (at least $500 for cam carrier gasket replacement & $1100 if oil has been leaking onto the timing belts + $900 to get rebuilt turbo installed), I am thinking of getting a remanufactured engine from Huntley Racing for $3500, to give me a solid base for performance enhancements. Does anyone have any opinion on this idea? THANKS!
05-18-2002, 01:11 AM
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My '88 951 has 162K on it and has never been rebuilt, to my knowledge. It runs great, but does have slight oil leaks from the cam carrier and turbo, and also has an exhaust leak where a stud is missing from the header. Due to the high estimated cost to get these repairs done (at least $500 for cam carrier gasket replacement & $1100 if oil has been leaking onto the timing belts + $900 to get rebuilt turbo installed), I am thinking of getting a remanufactured engine from Huntley Racing for $3500, to give me a solid base for performance enhancements. Does anyone have any opinion on this idea? THANKS!
05-18-2002, 01:47 AM
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Well, I should update my info...
I WAS at 179k miles with no rebuilds, but at a little over 180k I started leaking oil from the headgasket (onto the crossover, making my car catch on fire, twice!) so now I'm replacing piston rings, rod bearings, all new gaskets, H20 pump, belts, rollers, etc. (AKA: "A Dirty Rebuild")+ a performance headjob.
I have the head off right now, and it looks like it's never been apart before.
Ahmet
I WAS at 179k miles with no rebuilds, but at a little over 180k I started leaking oil from the headgasket (onto the crossover, making my car catch on fire, twice!) so now I'm replacing piston rings, rod bearings, all new gaskets, H20 pump, belts, rollers, etc. (AKA: "A Dirty Rebuild")+ a performance headjob.
I have the head off right now, and it looks like it's never been apart before.
Ahmet
05-18-2002, 09:57 AM
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I had a complete engine rebuilt after about 85K miles. Number 2 cylinder was scored, had 0.5mm oversize pistons installed, and went for the performance goodies at the same time. I had only owned the car for a few months, so I have no idea how the car was driven before I owned it. I'm thinking it was probably driven hard though. BTW, the picture of my car in my avatar was taken by the previous owner, who also frequented Rennlist when he had the car.
05-18-2002, 11:17 AM
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My car has 152k miles and was a daily driver. I am in the middle of an engine rebuild due to scored cylinder walls discovered during the replacement of a blown head gasket. I have been told by several sources this is most likely due the PO overheating the engine. The crank, rods and bearings were perfect. Even wear, no copper, new spec on the journals. Yes, even #2 rod bearing looked great. The rods were discolored, so it was likely overheated prior to my ownership.
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05-20-2002, 03:31 AM
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I hate to be negative, but if you're looking for a REALLY reliable everyday driver, look elsewhere, unless you have lots of $ and don't mind spending it on your car. Many people say these cars were so "way over-built" and will "run forever," etc, but that's not really so. I've been looking at lots of cars over the past few years, and especially right before I bought my Turbo S 2 1/2yrs ago (w/125K on it). There are SO FEW of these cars compared to other makes and models, and the fact that you hear of just a handful of them that actually had a major engine problem means that to be relative to other cars (like an Integra) you would have to hear of them being rebuilt 100's and even 1000's of times. It just doesn't add up- NO car out there (in the last 15yrs) would need a rebuild in under 150K, and when properly taken care of, MANY of them would exceed 250K - 300K+ miles before needing a rebuild- some of these cars are enthusiast cars too. The good stories you hear about from this list are mostly from fanatics who take excellent care of their cars and are trying to extract the most performance out of them- many of them do their work themselves, or, have lots of $ to spend on them. It's really a way of life for them- I'm a little distraught at the amount of my life this BS really takes. Anyway, it is true that you can find a decent example every now and then, but you will also find many of them that will ruin the whole experience of owning a car for you, as I have- and yes, I was intelligent enough to get a pre-purchase inspection. Mine now has 155K, and has cost me >$13K just to keep it going, on top of the original $9K I bought it for (2.5yrs ago)- you do the math. Also, I was ready to spend several grand to make it a performer, but, I've spent so much just keeping it running, that I never had the chance to do anything cool to it, and, I will need to drop at least another $10K into it, just to make it keep up w/a new RSX, Subura WRX, etc...
Good luck, whatever you decide to do, and take it from me- don't get into a rush when picking one fo these out- I took 6 months, and I still got ****ed!!! If i had it to do over again, I would give it at least another 6 months, or, just never buy a Porsche to begin with- hell, just the name (Porsche) was almost enough to keep me away from it....
I hate to be negative, but if you're looking for a REALLY reliable everyday driver, look elsewhere, unless you have lots of $ and don't mind spending it on your car. Many people say these cars were so "way over-built" and will "run forever," etc, but that's not really so. I've been looking at lots of cars over the past few years, and especially right before I bought my Turbo S 2 1/2yrs ago (w/125K on it). There are SO FEW of these cars compared to other makes and models, and the fact that you hear of just a handful of them that actually had a major engine problem means that to be relative to other cars (like an Integra) you would have to hear of them being rebuilt 100's and even 1000's of times. It just doesn't add up- NO car out there (in the last 15yrs) would need a rebuild in under 150K, and when properly taken care of, MANY of them would exceed 250K - 300K+ miles before needing a rebuild- some of these cars are enthusiast cars too. The good stories you hear about from this list are mostly from fanatics who take excellent care of their cars and are trying to extract the most performance out of them- many of them do their work themselves, or, have lots of $ to spend on them. It's really a way of life for them- I'm a little distraught at the amount of my life this BS really takes. Anyway, it is true that you can find a decent example every now and then, but you will also find many of them that will ruin the whole experience of owning a car for you, as I have- and yes, I was intelligent enough to get a pre-purchase inspection. Mine now has 155K, and has cost me >$13K just to keep it going, on top of the original $9K I bought it for (2.5yrs ago)- you do the math. Also, I was ready to spend several grand to make it a performer, but, I've spent so much just keeping it running, that I never had the chance to do anything cool to it, and, I will need to drop at least another $10K into it, just to make it keep up w/a new RSX, Subura WRX, etc...
Good luck, whatever you decide to do, and take it from me- don't get into a rush when picking one fo these out- I took 6 months, and I still got ****ed!!! If i had it to do over again, I would give it at least another 6 months, or, just never buy a Porsche to begin with- hell, just the name (Porsche) was almost enough to keep me away from it....
05-20-2002, 01:14 PM
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I agree with Robby on the durability issue. My last Toyota Supra went 250k-miles without needing any of the following replaced:
All of which I've had to replace on my sub 250k-mile 951. All of which are considered 'normal' wear-and-tear maintenance items on a 951. In fact, the first year of owning my 951, I had more 'normal' maintenance costs than the entire 10-years I owned the Supra combined.
So you definitely can't expect the 951 to be a worry-free 15k-mile/year daily driver like say... a Toyota or Honda. But... for the performance of the 951, I'd live with the hassles. After all, wouldn't you put up with all the nagging, attention-seeking neediness, take-me-shopping whining, etc. if you could have Cindy Crawford in your bed every night?
- water-pump
- wheel-bearings
- brake-rotors
- distributor & cap
- A-arm ball-joints
- timing-belt (replaced once at 120k-miles)
- CV-joints
- clutch (OEM clutch lasted 250k-miles!)
- headgasket
- crank/oil-pan seals
- rod-bearings
All of which I've had to replace on my sub 250k-mile 951. All of which are considered 'normal' wear-and-tear maintenance items on a 951. In fact, the first year of owning my 951, I had more 'normal' maintenance costs than the entire 10-years I owned the Supra combined.
So you definitely can't expect the 951 to be a worry-free 15k-mile/year daily driver like say... a Toyota or Honda. But... for the performance of the 951, I'd live with the hassles. After all, wouldn't you put up with all the nagging, attention-seeking neediness, take-me-shopping whining, etc. if you could have Cindy Crawford in your bed every night?
05-20-2002, 01:32 PM
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Daily-driver 86. 96K miles--rod bearings done @80K, small oil leak at the cam tower(since I've owned the car)--everything stock. Runs like a champ wether doing 20mph or 120. <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[burnout]" />
05-20-2002, 01:54 PM
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125K miles...Doing a complete rebuild myself as we speak including oversize pistons...Doing it yourself saves a lot of $$$$...I estimate the whole thing will cost me about $3K US including oversize Porsche pistons, all machine work, a new waterpump and new turbo waterpump...I think that is reasonable.
05-20-2002, 02:26 PM
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Why would anyone compare a 951 to a RSX or Integra. I agree that a 951 is not a daily driver. That is not why people buy these cars. They buy these cars because they are "Porsche's". And anybody who reads posts on this list knows what that means. They buy them because they were so well thought out when they were built in the eighties that now in the new century they are STILL one of the fastest best handling and in my humble opinion best looking cars ever built. That to me says a lot. I am not knocking Honda at all. They make great reliable cars(Daily Driver). But please don't compare the two. A Porsche regardless of the model is a car that was built and designed with passion. Something that is hard to find these days. And that is why I drive one. I will never get discouraged because of how much it costs me to maintain my car. It is a part of who I am and I am proud to own it.
Sure there are faster better handling cars but there are very precious few that come with the mistique of a Porsche.
Sorry Guys had to vent. I feel very strongly about this and I hear this all the time and I had to clarify how I felt. <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />
Sure there are faster better handling cars but there are very precious few that come with the mistique of a Porsche.
Sorry Guys had to vent. I feel very strongly about this and I hear this all the time and I had to clarify how I felt. <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />
05-20-2002, 03:28 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Robby:
[QB]Mine now has 155K, and has cost me >$13K just to keep it going, on top of the original $9K I bought it for (2.5yrs ago)- you do the math. Also, I was ready to spend several grand to make it a performer, but, I've spent so much just keeping it running, that I never had the chance to do anything cool to it, and, I will need to drop at least another $10K into it, just to make it keep up w/a new RSX, Subura WRX, etc...
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Uhh please clarify? How would you need to spend another $10k from where you are to get it to keep up with a new RSX or WRX??
An RSX type S is no match for a 89 951...WRX you'll at least keep up with now...no need to spend $10k to just keep up.
[QB]Mine now has 155K, and has cost me >$13K just to keep it going, on top of the original $9K I bought it for (2.5yrs ago)- you do the math. Also, I was ready to spend several grand to make it a performer, but, I've spent so much just keeping it running, that I never had the chance to do anything cool to it, and, I will need to drop at least another $10K into it, just to make it keep up w/a new RSX, Subura WRX, etc...
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Uhh please clarify? How would you need to spend another $10k from where you are to get it to keep up with a new RSX or WRX??
An RSX type S is no match for a 89 951...WRX you'll at least keep up with now...no need to spend $10k to just keep up.