rgs944

which car is faster to 100mph, 968 6 speed coupe or early years of the 951? The 968 is rated for more HP. It seems to me they would be very close.

Chris White

hp sells cars....torque wins races!

That being said - its pretty close, but the early 951 will have a weight advantage.

Todd951968

I own both cars the 951 is mildly modified. It totally smokes the 968. Its not close.

333pg333

Probably pretty easy to find out.

lart951

with the wind at it's back and down the hill the 968 might win.

sebastian944

And.. How does that make you feel? (Dr. Phil)

Matt O.

Now a 944 with a 968 engine... slightly different results.

gt37vgt

968's are great there has been almost 4 thousand threads posted in the rennlist 968 forums
click back and have a look how many threads have been posted in this forum ...i think R32 GTR's possibly AE 82s or starions are the only thing that may come close to the same CULT CAR STATUS

Chris White

Unless of course, Lart is chasing the 951 with a wrench to part it out - then the 951 will be a little more motivated.

Duke

I have always hated that expression... because it's not true and you know it
Torque WITH rpm wins races, but that is more or less the definition of hp.
The highest average hp throughout the used rpm band is what wins races

Chris White

That saying may have a technical issue or two….but from a marketing stand point it is pretty much correct. People brag about HP, race engine builders sell engine based on HP – but if I want to see how well and engine will perform I look at the torque curve first.

Remember the ‘tool’ vs ? drag race…I think tool had a 200hp advantage and lost. Yeah, lots of other reasons but the most mentioned thing before the race was HP…and it didn’t matter.

Actually the highest rear wheel torque (at the same wheel speed) is what wins races….

Think about the endurance racing diesels…not much HP there….

Duke

But there you are, torque curve If you have 800 nm at 1000 rpm and then 50 nm at 2000-7000 rpm you have a slow car. So it's actually the power curve that is the important..

Because just as you say, rear wheel torque matters and you won't have much wheel speed when you have to transform low rpm torque to wheel speed.

I'm just surprised you of all people wrote that old american saying since it is misleading. Torque by itself never gets you anywhere, so it would be better to say that "most power under the curve" wins the race.

ritzblitz

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Chris White

Yeah, but once you start adding in all the qualifiers it loses the ‘punch’. Its not an absolute technical saying, its more about marketing than engineering…and it still holds true in that respect. You never hear people bragging about their power under the curve’…people (less technical ones!) just like to quote peak HP when they brag. The ‘bad’ engine builders will do the same – just stated peak HP.

So take it for what its worth – like the old Detroit “win on Sunday, sell on Monday’….not accurate, but it gets the idea sold!

BTW – as you noticed – if you toss that quote out there it always separates the folks that know from the folks that don’t!

Duke

I admit I do like those punch lines... I suppose I that's why I have one in my sig