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Old 12-14-2009 | 01:40 AM
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And an NA would be even louder... No turbo to help muffle the exhaust.


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Correct, the 951 without a muffler and cat sounds like a fart can.

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Alright so basically if I'm running 16 psi I should hope to see 32 psi or less on the exhaust side, correct?
And less on the exhaust side would be that much better I'm guessing. With a target of near 16 psi on both sides (intake and exhaust)
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Originally Posted by 951_RS
Alright so basically if I'm running 16 psi I should hope to see 32 psi or less on the exhaust side, correct?
And less on the exhaust side would be that much better I'm guessing. With a target of near 16 psi on both sides (intake and exhaust)
Yes.


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Old 12-16-2009 | 12:18 PM
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The basic concept is to get as much air in as possible and get it out as fast as possible with out any bottle necks/excessive back pressure.
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I remember being told that turbo cars needed some exhaust restriction to help with spoolup. The theory being that if you had too big of an exhaust it would increase lag. I wonder how the 3.5"-5" SFR unit will eventually go?
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They mean restriction before the turbo Patrick. If you have too large a crossover there wont be as much of velocity there hurting your spoolup but too small and you have a restriction. Post turbo you want as little as possible
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This info was given to me back in the 80's Tim so I'm sure it was pretty early stuff.
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I remember being told that turbo cars needed some exhaust restriction to help with spoolup. The theory being that if you had too big of an exhaust it would increase lag. I wonder how the 3.5"-5" SFR unit will eventually go?
Correct, Special tool before he turned into a thief confirmed the same thing.
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Originally Posted by TRP951
They mean restriction before the turbo Patrick. If you have too large a crossover there wont be as much of velocity there hurting your spoolup but too small and you have a restriction. Post turbo you want as little as possible
Exactly, less restriction after the turbo will help spool up.
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Originally Posted by Rogue_Ant
No vacuum in a turbo car...
An ideal pressure would be less then 1 : <1 (intake vs exhaust).
But that won't happen without a huge turbine side (lots of lag).
Good would be 1 : 1.5
And acceptable is 1 : 2


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What is the best way to tap in to get backpressure readings?
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Originally Posted by Duke
Exactly, less restriction after the turbo will help spool up.
Yep as we ahve all seen real world proof of this as the cat delete is such a major before and after difference because it is a major point of backpressure.

I think most see 500rpm or more in better spool up and more over all boost made as well just from the cat delete alone.

My mech has about 20 years of racing exp under his belt mostly with prepping other's cars and he worked with Alex Job, etc. and he always said if you want some major gains with the 951 do some work on the exhaust side of the head.
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Originally Posted by lart951
Correct, Special tool before he turned into a thief confirmed the same thing.
I missed out on a bit, did he actually keep that guys car in the end that he was working on or what?
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Originally Posted by toddk911
What is the best way to tap in to get backpressure readings?
Easiest is using the test port on the crossover... Best would be to tap right before the turbo.


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Do you run the pressure gauge into the car? It seems it needs a bit of copper tubing to get the gas cool before it would go into a gauge? Maybe you are you are using a pressure transducer type gauge?

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Related question...

Is there a formula for how big to make the crossover compared to the engine size, rpm, and turbo size?



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