Ideal suspension setup
#1
Ideal suspension setup
I have a question for what the best suspension setup would be for my 944 street/ sometimes track car.
I always love to corner hard on the street and basically want to find the setup that would allow me to pull the most lateral g's/take turns the fastest.
I am basing my suspension setup on KW variant 3 suspension with whatever spring setting they give from the KW factory.
What else will let me corner the best? thick sway bars, a strut bar (do they offer a rear one for this car??), maybe a better torsion bar?
I know throwing big sticky tires on the car will make for a vast improvement, and I am also open to take tire suggestions, this is only a summer driven car (may-august). I really want to know what to do suspension related
What should I do? Oh by the way I did search but didn't really see anything based on the KW variant 3's for optimum street setups.
Thanks
I always love to corner hard on the street and basically want to find the setup that would allow me to pull the most lateral g's/take turns the fastest.
I am basing my suspension setup on KW variant 3 suspension with whatever spring setting they give from the KW factory.
What else will let me corner the best? thick sway bars, a strut bar (do they offer a rear one for this car??), maybe a better torsion bar?
I know throwing big sticky tires on the car will make for a vast improvement, and I am also open to take tire suggestions, this is only a summer driven car (may-august). I really want to know what to do suspension related
What should I do? Oh by the way I did search but didn't really see anything based on the KW variant 3's for optimum street setups.
Thanks
#3
There isn't one ideal setup. It's individually based. It really depends on how much time you will take it to the track (if at all), and if you want to compromise for the street or the track. What works well for the track doesn't work so well for the road and vice versa. The KWs are expensive and will give you a good starting point but if you really just want a quick road car you could do it more cheaply and put some of the extra money into other parts. Having adjustability available in shocks, spring, and sways will also give you some dual purpose options. From what I've seen in a few years on Rennlist, people have a large variation of setups and rates etc so it's difficult to say what will work best for you. See if you can get a ride in some other R'lister's cars if possible.
#4
I agree with Patrick above.
You say you love to corner hard on the street and you want the best lateral g-capability setup. Unfortunatly those things aren't possible to combine.
To be able to drive fast and corner fast on the street you need a setup that can take bumps and un-even patches of road without the car taking off into the air. You need a setup that keeps the tires planted to the road and to do that you need a bit softer setup than a full race car. You also need a higher car than a full race car. Plus on a street car you need street tires than can operate from cold (regular driving) temps. All those things limit the stiffness of the chassis setup.
The KW variant 3 setup seems perfect for your needs (street focused but sporty with very good grip) and I would also recommend checking the ALL the bushings. Upgrade to 968 caster mounts, 968 M030 swaybars, good tires and a good alignment. That will give you a car with superb grip and feel while still being streetable.
You say you love to corner hard on the street and you want the best lateral g-capability setup. Unfortunatly those things aren't possible to combine.
To be able to drive fast and corner fast on the street you need a setup that can take bumps and un-even patches of road without the car taking off into the air. You need a setup that keeps the tires planted to the road and to do that you need a bit softer setup than a full race car. You also need a higher car than a full race car. Plus on a street car you need street tires than can operate from cold (regular driving) temps. All those things limit the stiffness of the chassis setup.
The KW variant 3 setup seems perfect for your needs (street focused but sporty with very good grip) and I would also recommend checking the ALL the bushings. Upgrade to 968 caster mounts, 968 M030 swaybars, good tires and a good alignment. That will give you a car with superb grip and feel while still being streetable.
#5
Personally i think that for a street car, the simple stuff will make the best compromise. M030 sway bars, new struts (koni/bilstien), some stiffer lowering springs, and new bushings. I think you should start with these things and go from there.
#6
good advice here- redo all bushings. more grip tires will help tons. i dont know anything about the kw set up- i have the mo3o koni's converted to run 2.5 springs. i would recommend not going too wild for a street car. My car is pure street car- and is really harsh on California highways- trips to SF are misery for me- and im young and in shape. im thinking going to less spring rate front and rear. (i might have dialed out the harshness a bit with rebound tuning) luckily for me most of my local driving is back country roads- and the car just eats them up- i cant even find the limit. really the car is so much more capable than i am willing to drive it on the street- its not nearly as safe as driving fast at a track- especially here in nor cal- we have tons of deer- actually one time my car hit a black bear- it was like i went off a jump-it felt like the car launched into the air! i though i ran a person over- until i saw two cops putting the dead bear into there trunk! it really messed the car up too- it took me years to fix it all.
#7
There isn't one ideal setup. It's individually based. It really depends on how much time you will take it to the track (if at all), and if you want to compromise for the street or the track. What works well for the track doesn't work so well for the road and vice versa. The KWs are expensive and will give you a good starting point but if you really just want a quick road car you could do it more cheaply and put some of the extra money into other parts. Having adjustability available in shocks, spring, and sways will also give you some dual purpose options. From what I've seen in a few years on Rennlist, people have a large variation of setups and rates etc so it's difficult to say what will work best for you. See if you can get a ride in some other R'lister's cars if possible.
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er don't try to put the KW spring rates on other shocks unless the shock man is setting them up the bilstein cup package from lihndsey is a good deal and there are good deals from various vendors wich maybe koni ..
but only mix and mach if you doing heaps of track time and home work .
but only mix and mach if you doing heaps of track time and home work .
#11
Bilstein Escort Cups are WAY too stiff for most. I liked them, but I didn't mind that they were jarring over surface irregularities.
If you go with Bilsteins, get the Firehawk setup, and match the sping rates to the rebound/compression of the struts.
If you go with Bilsteins, get the Firehawk setup, and match the sping rates to the rebound/compression of the struts.