X-Post: Official Group Buy: Gear Reduction Starter
06-02-2009, 02:05 PM
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X-Post: Official Group Buy: Gear Reduction Starter
Cross-posting in the Turbo forum at the recommendation of a 951 Rennlister:
https://rennlist.com/forums/924-931-...n-starter.html
I'll be tracking the group buy participation and questions in the above thread, but for convenience, here is the relevant information distilled from the OP.
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I am working with IMI to adapt one of their existing lightweight, high-torque, gear reduction starters for the 931, 924S and 944*. These will specifically be a replacement for the factory item 951.604.101.00, which is listed for any 931, 924S, and 944 {edit: including 951's} through 1991 with a manual transmission (*note: there is another unit listed for late 944s with the M198 option, part number 951.604.102.00, I cannot verify compatibility with this item because I don't know how it differs).
Here is a partial feature list:
From what I understand, these units are fully indexable (remove three screws, rotate the housing, reattach screws), allowing for proper positioning on the various applications (i.e. the 2.0L-based 931 requires the solenoid in a slightly different indexed location than the 2.5L-based 924S/944).
This group buy is currently being run over on 924board.org, but if there is sufficient interest here on Rennlist, I'll extend the same pricing and terms to Rennlisters as well. Please post any questions as well as your interest.
Here's an idea of what the starter looks like:
PRICING
In order to participate, we will need funding up front, and we will run this just like we did for previous group buys. I will use the PayPal account associated with my side business "Ideola New Media" to coordinate. This will include collecting the incoming payments, disbursements to the manufacturer, drop shipment from the factory to Michigan, and outbound shipments from Michigan to each participant. Here is the process:
For Rennlisters who may not be that familiar with me (Ideola), we have successfully commissioned and executed several notable group buys for the 924 2.0L platform over the last year, including some products that were never before available on the aftermarket. They include ARP rod bolts, Cometic MLS head gaskets, main bearings, Performance valve springs, Piper solid lifters, etc. The great news with this product is that there is cross-over compatibility between the 931 2.0L starter and the later 924S / 944 2.5L starter. Hopefully, this will translate into broader participation, and a greater discount for everyone!
Feel free to PM me with any questions you may have about the starter itself or the group buy process.
https://rennlist.com/forums/924-931-...n-starter.html
I'll be tracking the group buy participation and questions in the above thread, but for convenience, here is the relevant information distilled from the OP.
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I am working with IMI to adapt one of their existing lightweight, high-torque, gear reduction starters for the 931, 924S and 944*. These will specifically be a replacement for the factory item 951.604.101.00, which is listed for any 931, 924S, and 944 {edit: including 951's} through 1991 with a manual transmission (*note: there is another unit listed for late 944s with the M198 option, part number 951.604.102.00, I cannot verify compatibility with this item because I don't know how it differs).
Here is a partial feature list:
- 4.440 to1 gear reduction
- Light weight (under 9 pounds)
- Provides 525 plus ft. lbs. of torque
- Long lasting and durable
- Compact design
- Heat resistant solenoid
- 5 full roller bearing construction
- Draws less current than other units
- Easy re-positioning for better clearance
- Vented solenoid for better heat resistance
From what I understand, these units are fully indexable (remove three screws, rotate the housing, reattach screws), allowing for proper positioning on the various applications (i.e. the 2.0L-based 931 requires the solenoid in a slightly different indexed location than the 2.5L-based 924S/944).
This group buy is currently being run over on 924board.org, but if there is sufficient interest here on Rennlist, I'll extend the same pricing and terms to Rennlisters as well. Please post any questions as well as your interest.
Here's an idea of what the starter looks like:
PRICING
- Single unit: $230 each
- 5-9 units: $210 each
- 10-19 units: $190 each
- 20+ units: $185 each
In order to participate, we will need funding up front, and we will run this just like we did for previous group buys. I will use the PayPal account associated with my side business "Ideola New Media" to coordinate. This will include collecting the incoming payments, disbursements to the manufacturer, drop shipment from the factory to Michigan, and outbound shipments from Michigan to each participant. Here is the process:
- Ideola will issue paypal invoices to each of the participants that verbally commit in this thread.
- The invoice will be for the full amount of the total number of pieces ordered at the QTY 5 discount level, plus the 4% paypal tax
- Participants will remit payment via PayPal or certified funds to Ideola by 15 June 2009 (that is two weeks out)
- Ideola will approve the order with the supplier for the appropriate quantity of pieces based on payments received by 15 June 2009.
- If we get into the 10 unit or 20 unit price break, the additional discount will be applied toward your shipping costs from Michigan. Any leftover money not used up by shipping costs will be refunded to you via paypal.
- Upon receipt of the completed order, Ideola will issue firm shipping quotes via PayPal invoices to the participants. The shipping cost will be determined by dividing the factory shipment costs by the total number of participants, and adding each participant's shipping fees from Michigan to their locale.
- Upon receipt of shipping payments, Ideola will ship the orders to each participant using the least expensive shipping method that provides tracking, delivery confirmation, and insurance.
- ideola: confirmed for 1 piece
For Rennlisters who may not be that familiar with me (Ideola), we have successfully commissioned and executed several notable group buys for the 924 2.0L platform over the last year, including some products that were never before available on the aftermarket. They include ARP rod bolts, Cometic MLS head gaskets, main bearings, Performance valve springs, Piper solid lifters, etc. The great news with this product is that there is cross-over compatibility between the 931 2.0L starter and the later 924S / 944 2.5L starter. Hopefully, this will translate into broader participation, and a greater discount for everyone!
Feel free to PM me with any questions you may have about the starter itself or the group buy process.
06-02-2009, 03:10 PM
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Might be a good idea to switch over to the cross-posted thread...whole bunch of questions being posed and answered there regarding the "whys"...in the meantime, for your convenience, here is the reader's digest version:
Originally Posted by ideola
"High torque" or "gear reduction" starters are a much more modern design than the 20+ year old designs of our existing starters. They are constructed using a small electric motor that is connected to a planetary gearset. This design reduces the speed required and increases the torque of the shaft of the motor. The additional benefit is that this results in MUCH less strain on the battery, less draw on the aging wiring in these cars, and more reliable, faster starting. This is especially beneficial on high-stress applications such as cars that will see track time.
In addition, this particular make uses a heat resistant and heat-shielded solenoid design (again, a major benefit on virtually all 2.0L and 2.5L variants given the proximity of the stock starter to hot exhaust manifolds and pipes). Also, these use roller bearings instead of the needle bearing design in the Bosch units, which again improves longevity, durability, etc.
In short, if Porsche were making the 924 / 944 today, this is probably the type of starter you would find on the car. It is a modern replacement for the old style starters.
In addition, this particular make uses a heat resistant and heat-shielded solenoid design (again, a major benefit on virtually all 2.0L and 2.5L variants given the proximity of the stock starter to hot exhaust manifolds and pipes). Also, these use roller bearings instead of the needle bearing design in the Bosch units, which again improves longevity, durability, etc.
In short, if Porsche were making the 924 / 944 today, this is probably the type of starter you would find on the car. It is a modern replacement for the old style starters.
06-02-2009, 03:11 PM
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Its new and flashy?
I would not think of it as an upgrade unless you are either a serious race nut or your present starter is on its last legs.
Compaired to the price of a new or even rebuilt starter its not a bad deal.
I need a starter for the race car....so it just seems to make sense for me!
I would not think of it as an upgrade unless you are either a serious race nut or your present starter is on its last legs.
Compaired to the price of a new or even rebuilt starter its not a bad deal.
I need a starter for the race car....so it just seems to make sense for me!
06-02-2009, 03:20 PM
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Its new and flashy?
I would not think of it as an upgrade unless you are either a serious race nut or your present starter is on its last legs.
Compaired to the price of a new or even rebuilt starter its not a bad deal.
I need a starter for the race car....so it just seems to make sense for me!
I would not think of it as an upgrade unless you are either a serious race nut or your present starter is on its last legs.
Compaired to the price of a new or even rebuilt starter its not a bad deal.
I need a starter for the race car....so it just seems to make sense for me!
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06-02-2009, 03:59 PM
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LOL!
Sorry, no, this is a NEW PRODUCT just being commissioned for the platform, so we don't have previous installation photos. However, be aware that IMI have been making these for the 911 crowd for some time. There should be little concern over the product itself.
As for fitment, I must reiterate, I have sent them a standard 951.604.101.00 part. If that part will work for your car, this starter will work for your car, and quite possibly fit even better since it is SMALLER.
Sorry, no, this is a NEW PRODUCT just being commissioned for the platform, so we don't have previous installation photos. However, be aware that IMI have been making these for the 911 crowd for some time. There should be little concern over the product itself.
As for fitment, I must reiterate, I have sent them a standard 951.604.101.00 part. If that part will work for your car, this starter will work for your car, and quite possibly fit even better since it is SMALLER.
06-02-2009, 04:43 PM
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LOL!
Sorry, no, this is a NEW PRODUCT just being commissioned for the platform, so we don't have previous installation photos. However, be aware that IMI have been making these for the 911 crowd for some time. There should be little concern over the product itself.
As for fitment, I must reiterate, I have sent them a standard 951.604.101.00 part. If that part will work for your car, this starter will work for your car, and quite possibly fit even better since it is SMALLER.
Sorry, no, this is a NEW PRODUCT just being commissioned for the platform, so we don't have previous installation photos. However, be aware that IMI have been making these for the 911 crowd for some time. There should be little concern over the product itself.
As for fitment, I must reiterate, I have sent them a standard 951.604.101.00 part. If that part will work for your car, this starter will work for your car, and quite possibly fit even better since it is SMALLER.
06-02-2009, 10:17 PM
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06-03-2009, 10:06 AM
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UPDATED LIST OF PARTICIPANTS
- ideola: confirmed for 1 piece
- stevekat: confirmed for 1 piece
- evil 944t: confirmed for 1 piece
- schwank: confirmed for 1 piece
- Jakkq: confirmed for 1 piece
- tomcooper: confirmed for 1 piece
- gegge: tentative for 1 piece
- CurtP: tentative for 1 piece
- sj340: tentative for 1 piece
- theedge: tentative for 1 piece
- Anonymous1: tentative for 1 piece
- Anonymous2: tentative for 1 piece
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