Thinking of selling my 951 and buying 996 - opinions needed
12-08-2008, 03:48 AM
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I don't think you will get as much as you think for your car. I see them listed in the auto trader for the amount you mentioned but I don't think they are selling. People just list them for what other people have them listed them for.
I suspect if you really wanted to sell it you would actually get much less maybe $9000.
I suspect if you really wanted to sell it you would actually get much less maybe $9000.
12-08-2008, 04:01 AM
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996's are, as a Porsche specialist told me, throw away cars. They don't last for extended periods of time. When something breaks, you toss it out and replace it with a new part. Thus "throw away". Motor gets old? It's more cost efficient to get a whole other motor, than it is to pay a specialist to fix the old one.
When looking at used 996 cars, one must keep three things in mind:
1) Like you say, Porsche's policy for post 993 cars is to sell parts for repairs as units -engine, transmission, etc. E.g., you can't buy 3rd gear pinions and synchros to repair an LSD transmission, like you can for the 944/951. They will only supply the tranny as a unit.
2) 996 parts are "cheap" because they are still subsidized by the factory. In other words, you don't pay the actual price of a replacement engine when you order it from Porsche. You copay a significant part of the cost, but not all of it.
3) Eventually, Porsche will cease to subsidize 996 parts, just like it did with the 944/951 cars and then it will be a lot more expensive to own a 996 than a 944/951 due to all the consumable parts, electronics, and ancillary stuff that will need replacing.
12-08-2008, 01:24 PM
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12-08-2008, 01:59 PM
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If you have to get a Porker with the engine at the **** end then go for a 964 - I've done the 964 RS, 993 C2 & 996TT ownership and I miss the 964 the most which was a great daily driver even if mine was the RS model 
There are some great deals to be had at the moment so if your a cash buyer you can afford to be very fussy but ultimately why not look at a nice 968!
There are some great deals to be had at the moment so if your a cash buyer you can afford to be very fussy but ultimately why not look at a nice 968!
12-08-2008, 03:06 PM
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Fergus, I suffer from the same 951 paranoia as you. I have a less costly solution for you: stay off Rennlist! Allow me to explain... Many threads are about problems, "this is what went wrong with my car today." Many more threads are about upgrades, or "this is what I did to my car because stock wasn't good enough." All of this leads people with even the slightest obsessive personality to fear and trauma about what might go wrong at any moment, or what happens if I see a car that looks better or goes faster than mine? I think I'm going to start a Cincinnati chapter of Rennlist Anonymous (RA). Maybe you should start the Ottawa chapter.
12-08-2008, 04:40 PM
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I know personally ywo guys who had engine failure on 996 and one of them had it twice!!
12-08-2008, 09:52 PM
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Thanks for all of the feedback. Seems like there is quite a difference of opinion, but I feel way more equipped to make a decision, should I decide to pull the trigger.
Now, I have an offer at CAD15,000, from a neighbour who keeps pestering me to sell, but as all have noted there is a certain cachet to the 951 that I am not yet certain that I want to give up. However, it does create a point of consideration.
Not reliability per se, but I gotta stop those voices in my head....
Alan, I agree RLAnanymous might make a lot of sense...
I suspect if you really wanted to sell it you would actually get much less maybe $9000.
BTW, if you are really looking for reliability, sell the 951 and buy a freaking Camry.
Not reliability per se, but I gotta stop those voices in my head....Alan, I agree RLAnanymous might make a lot of sense...
12-09-2008, 04:51 PM
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Thanks for all of the feedback. Seems like there is quite a difference of opinion, but I feel way more equipped to make a decision, should I decide to pull the trigger.
Now, I have an offer at CAD15,000, from a neighbour who keeps pestering me to sell, but as all have noted there is a certain cachet to the 951 that I am not yet certain that I want to give up. However, it does create a point of consideration.
Not reliability per se, but I gotta stop those voices in my head....
Alan, I agree RLAnanymous might make a lot of sense...
Now, I have an offer at CAD15,000, from a neighbour who keeps pestering me to sell, but as all have noted there is a certain cachet to the 951 that I am not yet certain that I want to give up. However, it does create a point of consideration.
Not reliability per se, but I gotta stop those voices in my head....Alan, I agree RLAnanymous might make a lot of sense...
15 000 Canadian dollars = 11 925.585 U.S. dollars
Seems like a pretty good deal, although it depends on how much you have in it I guess.
I suggest you put a post on the 996 forum and see how many of those guys came from a 951 and what they think. I've seen a lot of posts on the 951 side about trying a 996 and regretting it and then getting another 951, but obviously they are posted in the 951 forum... I personally like the 996, but would be afraid of the repair costs.
12-09-2008, 08:31 PM
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The question is will he put his money where is mouth is....
And you are right, the last thing that I want to be doing is driving a car where I am worried about being able to afford the repairs, whether a real or perceived fear. Same voice, different words
And you are right, the last thing that I want to be doing is driving a car where I am worried about being able to afford the repairs, whether a real or perceived fear. Same voice, different words
12-09-2008, 09:15 PM
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I suggest you put a post on the 996 forum and see how many of those guys came from a 951 and what they think. I've seen a lot of posts on the 951 side about trying a 996 and regretting it and then getting another 951, but obviously they are posted in the 951 forum... I personally like the 996, but would be afraid of the repair costs.
In 1 year, my 996 has need an oil change and a brake cooling duct that got ripped off last winter. My 951 has needed a knock sensor, throttle position switch, mass air flow meter, wastegate and a DME rebuild. I'll share a little secret... the brake duct was much cheaper.
Sure the 996's engine may spontaneously combust and cost $10k. But the 944's timing belt could always fail - I've heard of it happening before - and when I last rebuilt that engine, I'd say I spent $5k.
Nothing is without risk - but it's not worth worrying about. Life is about what you enjoy - not what you fear.