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Old 10-08-2008, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by MHT
The DME gets an engine coolant temp. signal from the blue connector at the front of the block under the intake manifold. Coolant temp is one of the main inputs to the ecu as far as mixture determination is concerned. Cold engine-rich mixture and vice-versa. The sensor has a high resistance with the engine cold and the resistance goes down as the engine warms up, so if there is a connection problem at the sensor the computer gets a cold engine signal and richens the mixture. An easy way to see if it is working is to unplug the sensor while the engine is running, it should stall or almost stall.

Good luck, Mark T.
I'll look at this. Is it the one right next to the turbo with the round connector?
Old 10-08-2008, 10:59 AM
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Old 10-08-2008, 11:13 AM
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its the sensor on the front driver side of the cylinder head. It has a blue fuel injector type connector. Right behind it is the gauge temp sensor (2 wires with female connectors)
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No the DME temp sensor is in the block, it uses a 2 pin AMP connector just like the injectors. It's very close to the other temp sensor (for instrument cluster) that has 2 open pins.

If you're running rich AND backfiring it's not a fuelling issue. You can run sub 10:1 A/F at idle and it will idle smoothly.
As other has stated, sounds very much like an ignition / timing issue.

Have you tried another DME-box and switched out DME-relay just to make sure?

If you have access to an adjustable timing light you could check your timing at idle.
You can check it against the cam wheel to get a ballpark figure.

Other than that, an oscilloscope sounds like the next step to check if the signals are OK or not.

Good luck! I really hope you find the problem.
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Oops started my response before you posted Mike!
Old 10-08-2008, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Markota
=^ really? I need to freakin replace mine. I attempted to remove it without taking anything part but it doesn't seem to be happening. Did you have to remove the flywheel?

mike
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Please tell me you don't have to remove the flywheel!
Yes, I had to remove the flywheel in order to repair it... it wasnt pleasant. I started at 8am and finished by 5pm...

But to check it, all you have to do is remove the sensors and turn the engine until you see the pin.

Backfiring is a timing issue, especially if it is out of the exhaust. I can disconnect the ECT sensor and it will just run rich...
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Originally Posted by Duke
No the DME temp sensor is in the block, it uses a 2 pin AMP connector just like the injectors. It's very close to the other temp sensor (for instrument cluster) that has 2 open pins.

If you're running rich AND backfiring it's not a fuelling issue. You can run sub 10:1 A/F at idle and it will idle smoothly.
As other has stated, sounds very much like an ignition / timing issue.

Have you tried another DME-box and switched out DME-relay just to make sure?

If you have access to an adjustable timing light you could check your timing at idle.
You can check it against the cam wheel to get a ballpark figure.

Other than that, an oscilloscope sounds like the next step to check if the signals are OK or not.

Good luck! I really hope you find the problem.
I have checked it out with another DME, but I have not tried the relay.

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Yes, I had to remove the flywheel in order to repair it... it wasnt pleasant. I started at 8am and finished by 5pm...

But to check it, all you have to do is remove the sensors and turn the engine until you see the pin.

Backfiring is a timing issue, especially if it is out of the exhaust. I can disconnect the ECT sensor and it will just run rich...
I think this will have to be the next step. Knowing my luck, this will be the problem
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I hope you track that problem down, it can be frustrating at times....
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Originally Posted by lee101315
But to check it, all you have to do is remove the sensors and turn the engine until you see the pin.
Is there anyway to know where the pin is w/o spinning the engine all the way around? Is it somewhere in relation to TDC?

(I can't remember if the flywheel can only be mounted one way or not.)
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I dont remember exactly, but turning the engine shouldnt be a huge ordeal if you enlist a "helper"
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"Helper" is the problem. I'll see if I can drum someone up.
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I don't know how long your arms are but i was just able to reach a rachet on the crank pulley while looking down there. I was also able to see the pins from the bottom center of the bell housing. I just can't figure out why there are 2 pins and 1 is broken and 1 is not..
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So, how can I tell if it's messed up?
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There's 2 pins?
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I looked for a second pin and did not see one.


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