BEST 20W50 Dino Oil?
09-15-2008, 11:22 AM
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Any experience with the Valvoline or M1 motorcycle oils?
09-15-2008, 11:34 AM
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My last oil change i used Esso diesel 15w40 CI rated not the CJ. I would not have any qualms about using M-1 v twin 20w50 if I could get it for less than 14$ a quart.
09-15-2008, 12:42 PM
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...I pretty much gave up too. I just did an oil change this weekend to VR-1 even though I'm reading that it too has significantly reduced ZDDP. I almost picked up the Valvoline 20w-50 motorcycle oil instead, but I don't know how the detergent package in it compares. I also noticed that there's a Mobil 1 motorcycle oil that states it is a detergent oil, but I don't know how much ZDDP is in it, or if it has enough swellants in it to keep my car from leaking as badly as it did with regular M1.
Any experience with the Valvoline or M1 motorcycle oils?
Any experience with the Valvoline or M1 motorcycle oils?
I've always used synthetics in my newer cars but am reluctant to go back to using them for the 951.
09-15-2008, 03:30 PM
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Valvoline lists Zinc/Phosphorus in their 20w-50 as 0.130/0.120 here: http://www.valvoline.com/products/VR...otor%20Oil.pdf
However, that document is dated from 5/23/06 and I don't know when they supposedly changed formulation.
I'm running this for now until I get oil analysis performed to see how well it works for me.
However, that document is dated from 5/23/06 and I don't know when they supposedly changed formulation.
I'm running this for now until I get oil analysis performed to see how well it works for me.
09-15-2008, 04:50 PM
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I use the VR1 for my street car, but was thinking of going to the regular Valvoline 20W50 which has slightly less 0.087 of ZDDP in it and it's cheaper, $28.99 at Sonny's Quick Lube...I just bring the filter.
09-15-2008, 07:19 PM
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What about this:
"Shell Rotella T which is a conventional (mineral-based) oil that was originally formulated for diesel engines. Rotella T still contains 1,200 parts per million ZDDP, according to Shell - which is as much as five times the amount found in other oils. Don’t sweat it that Rotella was/is "for diesels." It’s also an excellent choice for older, non-emissions controlled engines with flat tappet cams that need their ZDDP. Rotella’s also modestly priced and readily available at most any auto parts store. Shell also markets a synthetic version of Rotella that offers even more protection - as well as longevity and a 5W-40 viscosity for those who operate their vehicles in colder climates. Standard Rotella comes in a heavier 15W-40 blend. "
"Shell Rotella T which is a conventional (mineral-based) oil that was originally formulated for diesel engines. Rotella T still contains 1,200 parts per million ZDDP, according to Shell - which is as much as five times the amount found in other oils. Don’t sweat it that Rotella was/is "for diesels." It’s also an excellent choice for older, non-emissions controlled engines with flat tappet cams that need their ZDDP. Rotella’s also modestly priced and readily available at most any auto parts store. Shell also markets a synthetic version of Rotella that offers even more protection - as well as longevity and a 5W-40 viscosity for those who operate their vehicles in colder climates. Standard Rotella comes in a heavier 15W-40 blend. "
09-15-2008, 07:57 PM
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What about this:
"Shell Rotella T which is a conventional (mineral-based) oil that was originally formulated for diesel engines. Rotella T still contains 1,200 parts per million ZDDP, according to Shell - which is as much as five times the amount found in other oils. Don’t sweat it that Rotella was/is "for diesels." It’s also an excellent choice for older, non-emissions controlled engines with flat tappet cams that need their ZDDP. Rotella’s also modestly priced and readily available at most any auto parts store. Shell also markets a synthetic version of Rotella that offers even more protection - as well as longevity and a 5W-40 viscosity for those who operate their vehicles in colder climates. Standard Rotella comes in a heavier 15W-40 blend. "Any thoughts?
"Shell Rotella T which is a conventional (mineral-based) oil that was originally formulated for diesel engines. Rotella T still contains 1,200 parts per million ZDDP, according to Shell - which is as much as five times the amount found in other oils. Don’t sweat it that Rotella was/is "for diesels." It’s also an excellent choice for older, non-emissions controlled engines with flat tappet cams that need their ZDDP. Rotella’s also modestly priced and readily available at most any auto parts store. Shell also markets a synthetic version of Rotella that offers even more protection - as well as longevity and a 5W-40 viscosity for those who operate their vehicles in colder climates. Standard Rotella comes in a heavier 15W-40 blend. "Any thoughts?
09-15-2008, 08:04 PM
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About Valvoline VR1.. take this for what its worth. Mind you this test is over a year old and who knows what has changed formulation wise since then.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...819165&fpart=1
I think your best bet is to have a sample of oil tested by a independent lab and see what the #'s come out to be.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...819165&fpart=1
I think your best bet is to have a sample of oil tested by a independent lab and see what the #'s come out to be.
09-15-2008, 08:22 PM
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One more note on Shell Rotella T15w40 diesel oil Low flash Point only 413.
Flash point is the temperature at which an oil gives off vapors that can be ignited with a flame held over the oil. The lower the flash point the greater tendancy for the oil to suffer vaporization loss at high temperatures and to burn off on hot cylinder walls and pistons. The flash point can be an indicator of the quality of the base stock used. The higher the flash point the better. 400 F is the minimum to prevent possible high consumption. Flash point is in degrees F.
Flash point is the temperature at which an oil gives off vapors that can be ignited with a flame held over the oil. The lower the flash point the greater tendancy for the oil to suffer vaporization loss at high temperatures and to burn off on hot cylinder walls and pistons. The flash point can be an indicator of the quality of the base stock used. The higher the flash point the better. 400 F is the minimum to prevent possible high consumption. Flash point is in degrees F.
09-16-2008, 11:23 PM
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And how is someone going determine what the "best" oil is?
Just saying, don't mean to offend anybody.
09-17-2008, 05:18 AM
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^^ Yeah for sure it's going to be much more crucial the harder you run your car and the conditions which it's in. I would agree that if you used any 20w/50 on a road car within reason, you should be fine but that would still need monitoring. Absolutely no offence taken either 
09-17-2008, 09:11 AM
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Drifting
About Valvoline VR1.. take this for what its worth. Mind you this test is over a year old and who knows what has changed formulation wise since then.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...819165&fpart=1
I think your best bet is to have a sample of oil tested by a independent lab and see what the #'s come out to be.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...819165&fpart=1
I think your best bet is to have a sample of oil tested by a independent lab and see what the #'s come out to be.
I typically have my samples done by Blackstone. If my next sample looks off, I'll have it tested by a different company. I won't have an analysis performed by a company who wants to sell me oil though.
