How to tune for best gas MPG
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What can I do with the fuel/timing to get the best MPG on my 951? I am using a maxtronic. I've seen people say they run as lean as 18:1 on idle/part throttle. Is that safe and how much gas does it save?
Can anyone get 27+ mpg on the highway?
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Can anyone get 27+ mpg on the highway?
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When I turn my boost down all the way (10psi) On the highway I get 25-27.
My Max chip runs far more rich than I would like in some aspects and I could get a solid 28+ on highway driving. I am also looking into the Maxtronic to help me do this. Highway map, regular map, etc...
My Max chip runs far more rich than I would like in some aspects and I could get a solid 28+ on highway driving. I am also looking into the Maxtronic to help me do this. Highway map, regular map, etc...
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nice contribution, thanks.
I'm just looking for advice from the people here who have tuned their own cars (ST, Rouge Ant, JustinL, etc) to get the best cruising mpg possible. Is it stupid to save money on gas now?
zoltan, thanks. The maxtronic seems like a great product.. I can't wait to get some time later this week to fine tune my car![burnout](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/burnout.gif)
I haven't done much highway driving in the 951 (have put very little miles on it.. the n/a is much more economical to drive) but it certainly didn't get 28 mpg. Last time I ran the car it was still on old crappy chips, so I don't know what kinda milage it will get now.
I'm just looking for advice from the people here who have tuned their own cars (ST, Rouge Ant, JustinL, etc) to get the best cruising mpg possible. Is it stupid to save money on gas now?
zoltan, thanks. The maxtronic seems like a great product.. I can't wait to get some time later this week to fine tune my car
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I haven't done much highway driving in the 951 (have put very little miles on it.. the n/a is much more economical to drive) but it certainly didn't get 28 mpg. Last time I ran the car it was still on old crappy chips, so I don't know what kinda milage it will get now.
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You can trick the DME into setting a leaner closed loop set point with something like this:
http://www.zeitronix.com/questions/NBpoint.htm
Never tried it, and no idea what the side effects may be in the long run...
http://www.zeitronix.com/questions/NBpoint.htm
Never tried it, and no idea what the side effects may be in the long run...
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Found the post about the 19:1 idle.. any thoughts on this?
And if you live in a cold climate and follow the above advice, you will NEVER start your car without cleaning your plugs everytime.
I have my idle at 19:1 right now. My lambda is connected and working perfectly. The Motronic can only keep you at 14.7 in closed loo[p if you are within a certain range. Once I bring it down to aboput 16, the Motronic locks on and brings it to 14.7. My car idles perfectly at 19, and is VERY clean.
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I have my idle at 19:1 right now. My lambda is connected and working perfectly. The Motronic can only keep you at 14.7 in closed loo[p if you are within a certain range. Once I bring it down to aboput 16, the Motronic locks on and brings it to 14.7. My car idles perfectly at 19, and is VERY clean.
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Be careful, better safe than sorry in my book. Remember that you can still reach max boost under partial throttle with the lean AFR. The TPS switches the maps around 3/4 and i've seen 10psi at 14.7, yikes. I wouldn't want to mess with AFRs but I guess you could play with the FQS switch on the DME. I hope you have a wideband kit though.
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Mike.
I run ~16.5:1 during low load situations (less then 1psi of boost). The best I've gotten for a tank is 31mpg for mostly highway, with some city driving mixed in.
Really anything leaner then 16:1 and you will want to increase lead, due to the slower combustion. The power difference between 16:1 and 17:1 is noticeable.
As for idle. I would say to shoot for 16s. Much leaner and you will most likely sacrafice idle quality. I haven't really messed with it lately since idle takes so little fuel anyway.
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I run ~16.5:1 during low load situations (less then 1psi of boost). The best I've gotten for a tank is 31mpg for mostly highway, with some city driving mixed in.
Really anything leaner then 16:1 and you will want to increase lead, due to the slower combustion. The power difference between 16:1 and 17:1 is noticeable.
As for idle. I would say to shoot for 16s. Much leaner and you will most likely sacrafice idle quality. I haven't really messed with it lately since idle takes so little fuel anyway.
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Keep it in the garage![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
I can go through a tank of gas in a day if I get on it and that's at probably double your petrol prices. UK is worse. You guys are still way cheaper than most of the world for cars and gas.
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I can go through a tank of gas in a day if I get on it and that's at probably double your petrol prices. UK is worse. You guys are still way cheaper than most of the world for cars and gas.
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Mike.
I run ~16.5:1 during low load situations (less then 1psi of boost). The best I've gotten for a tank is 31mpg for mostly highway, with some city driving mixed in.
Really anything leaner then 16:1 and you will want to increase lead, due to the slower combustion. The power difference between 16:1 and 17:1 is noticeable.
As for idle. I would say to shoot for 16s. Much leaner and you will most likely sacrafice idle quality. I haven't really messed with it lately since idle takes so little fuel anyway.
-Rogue
I run ~16.5:1 during low load situations (less then 1psi of boost). The best I've gotten for a tank is 31mpg for mostly highway, with some city driving mixed in.
Really anything leaner then 16:1 and you will want to increase lead, due to the slower combustion. The power difference between 16:1 and 17:1 is noticeable.
As for idle. I would say to shoot for 16s. Much leaner and you will most likely sacrafice idle quality. I haven't really messed with it lately since idle takes so little fuel anyway.
-Rogue
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Keep it in the garage
You want speed and economy, go get a motorcycle
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Thanks Rouge ![Cheers](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/beerchug.gif)
Already have a motorcycle, I don't see the issuse in trying to be economical as possible. Is it a requirement to throw money away when driving a Porsche? I mean.. its free for me to change, why not?
anyway, thanks to rouge I have the info I want...
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Already have a motorcycle, I don't see the issuse in trying to be economical as possible. Is it a requirement to throw money away when driving a Porsche? I mean.. its free for me to change, why not?
anyway, thanks to rouge I have the info I want...
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