Notices
944 Turbo and Turbo-S Forum 1982-1991
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Clore Automotive

Moving to Big Blacks from stock - need track pads

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 03-12-2008, 02:42 AM
  #1  
tjbreen
Addict
Rennlist Member

Thread Starter
 
tjbreen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 412
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default Moving to Big Blacks from stock - need track pads

I have just ordered a set of Big Blacks with solid rotors from Sunset and will need some track pads. I would assume these rotors will stay cooler than stock under the same service level but I also intend not to baby them like the stocks.

Pad deposition and rotor life are my primary concerns. Does anyone have any suggestions for front and matching rear pads? I have Ferodo 2500s on there now.
Old 03-12-2008, 02:56 AM
  #2  
333pg333
Rennlist Member
 
333pg333's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Australia
Posts: 18,924
Received 97 Likes on 80 Posts
Default

Pretty subjective topic. Plenty of opinions here. Pagids, Hawk, Ferodos. I use PFCs and think they're very good. Most will throw a LOT of dust that needs to be cleaned off soon afterwards or it will eat into the wheel finish. Also be prepared for a lot of squealing upon application. Bit of a nuisance when driving on the road. Tip to prospective Private detectives, don't put race pads on if you want to remain stealthy.
The advantage is that you will find you can pull up a lot deeper into the turns and resist fade for much longer, but that's the idea huh.
Old 03-12-2008, 07:38 AM
  #3  
Geneqco
Pro
 
Geneqco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 722
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Just doing the same thing myself... from the people I've talked to, I'm thinking Pagid RS14 (Black) front and RS4-4 (Orange) rear.

This will see very little street time and I'll be running slicks, 2.8 stroker and various mods. From what I've been told, if I wanted more bias for street, I'd probably go RS29 (Yellow) or without all the upgrades the RS4-2 (Blue).

I would alos appreciate any other comments though.
Old 03-12-2008, 07:52 AM
  #4  
Ski
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
Ski's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Heber Springs, AR
Posts: 7,897
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

We run Pagid blacks, F and R, with cryo treated rotors and it's served us well. I would think about getting some extra brake cooling up front if you don't already have it. If you're going to run enduros or some other event of longer than 20-30 minutes, then you might want to think about the yellows. my .02
Old 03-12-2008, 08:57 AM
  #5  
Geneqco
Pro
 
Geneqco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 722
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

What can you tell us about the cryo treated rotors?
Old 03-12-2008, 09:23 AM
  #6  
Ski
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
Ski's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Heber Springs, AR
Posts: 7,897
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Mixed topic of opinions on them on the DE/Racing Forum. We just DE the car, 20 minute sessions and when Jim and myself are at the track, we're usually in Blue and White groups so the car gets a "rest" if you will between sessions. Again, they've been really good for us, the surface is almost as new and it's the second set of front pads. The rears look new of course. I installed the spindle backing plate, hose and ran that to a front air duct - both sides - to get some good air to them also.


Old 03-12-2008, 09:29 AM
  #7  
JET951
Drifting
 
JET951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Sydney Australia
Posts: 2,642
Received 98 Likes on 49 Posts
Default

Hey Bret,
you know your rotors are on back the front?
Sean
Old 03-12-2008, 09:38 AM
  #8  
Ski
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
Ski's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Heber Springs, AR
Posts: 7,897
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

It was a trail fit up after I did the hose work. We did the brakes first, then later added the hoses.
Old 03-12-2008, 09:45 AM
  #9  
Geneqco
Pro
 
Geneqco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 722
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Thanks Bret. So how much extra life you reckon you get from cryo? Any performance difference? Any downside?
Old 03-12-2008, 10:14 AM
  #10  
Ski
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
Ski's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Heber Springs, AR
Posts: 7,897
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

two years, so far so good, braking performance was great, especially when the rod broke Again, we just DE it, Hallett, TWS mostly, Memphis which gets a good high speed braking down the drag strip part of the track. Missed Barber last year.
Old 03-12-2008, 12:25 PM
  #11  
333pg333
Rennlist Member
 
333pg333's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Australia
Posts: 18,924
Received 97 Likes on 80 Posts
Default

So Cryo'ing the disc puts a whole new spin on 'Frozen Rotor' huh? Do you find that yours are not playing join the dots as much as those who just have untreated drilled discs?
Old 03-12-2008, 01:08 PM
  #12  
PorscheDoc
Addict
Rennlist Member


Rennlist
Site Sponsor
 
PorscheDoc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Under Your Car
Posts: 8,059
Received 11 Likes on 11 Posts
Default

Pagid oranges in the front and blacks in the rear are what we run. Evens out the braking nicely.
Old 03-12-2008, 03:09 PM
  #13  
Ski
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
Ski's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Heber Springs, AR
Posts: 7,897
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

That's pretty good Doc, hadn't thought of that. No connect the dots yet, these are 3.6T rotors.
Old 03-12-2008, 03:28 PM
  #14  
PorscheDoc
Addict
Rennlist Member


Rennlist
Site Sponsor
 
PorscheDoc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Under Your Car
Posts: 8,059
Received 11 Likes on 11 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Ski
That's pretty good Doc, hadn't thought of that. No connect the dots yet, these are 3.6T rotors.
Actually picked up that trick from Joe Ennett who runs an S2 throughout the midwest. Very fast driver and is one of the chief instructors for signing people off for their PCA licenses. I think he runs Hawks, but he said the theory is the same between pad brands.
Old 03-12-2008, 06:31 PM
  #15  
333pg333
Rennlist Member
 
333pg333's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Australia
Posts: 18,924
Received 97 Likes on 80 Posts
Default

PFC 01's f 97's r , just to add to that theory.


Quick Reply: Moving to Big Blacks from stock - need track pads



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 11:31 PM.