jasonlp

I know it's annoying by now going on thread three but I promise if everyone just selects the suspension they enjoy it will help everyone out =)

If I missed any competent ones that sucks, just post about them.

1. What suspension? Strut/shock valving? Spring rates?
2. Use of the car (street, street/track, track/street, track, full race) and model.
3. Handling characteristics.
4. Ride quality (for any street use).
5. Comparison to other suspension used (not just conjecture).
6. Satisfaction with the particular set-up. What's right? What's not so right?
7. Ballpark price paid.


JIC Magic - http://www.lindseyracing.com/mm5/mer...Code=944SUSJIC
moton
ohlins - http://www.lindseyracing.com/mm5/mer...e=944SUSOHLINS
bilstein - http://www.paragon-products.com/prod...rt_cup_944.htm
jrz - http://www.jrzusa.net/prices/jrz_prices.pdf
leda
koni - http://www.paragon-products.com/product_p/944spec-3.htm
kw - Hunt for them.. - http://www.kw-suspension.com/en/30_P...CHE&gruppe=all
penskes
kyb
Protrac - http://www.lindseyracing.com/mm5/mer...=944SUSPROTRAC
dynamic suspensions
cross
spax
QA1
ground control

SamGrant951

I really fail to see how this will help anyone out...the majority of the people will just choose what they have installed?

edit: more info was added to original post, makes a bit more sense now.

jasonlp

and if anyone has any questions they can ask someone from the polls

If it's a bad idea i can close the thread?

cb951

I think the poll itself would show the popularity of various suspension set-ups. Whether this is useful to anyone, I'm not sure. I, personally, AM interested in seeing the results.

I think the real value (and it would be of IMMENSE value to most readers) would be the posts detailing experience with particular suspensions.

For instance, I would love to hear the experiences of users regarding:
1. What suspension? Strut/shock valving? Spring rates?
2. Use of the car (street, street/track, track/street, track, full race) and model.
3. Handling characteristics.
4. Ride quality (for any street use).
5. Comparison to other suspension used (not just conjecture).
6. Satisfaction with the particular set-up. What's right? What's not so right?
7. Ballpark price paid.


jasonlp,
I don't mean to hijack your thread(s). It seems that we're on a hunt for similar info. Please let me know if this post is not what you had intended for this thread, and I'll remove it.

jasonlp

I would love to see all that in one thread also.

shiners780

There is an awful lot of subjectivity when it comes to suspension setups.

It would be like choosing a wife based on her past boyfriend's opinions. Until you spend time with it and ride it hard, you have no idea if it will be the right choice for you. Just sayin'.

Scootin159

ok, I'll bite:

1. What suspension? Strut/shock valving? Spring rates?
F: 350# springs, Koni yellows, tarret sway bar, Paragon coilover kit
R: 30mm tbars, Koni yellows,
Also: KLA strut brace & Racers Edge camber plates, Weltmeister poly bushings
Front alignment: max caster, ~2.0 camber, 0.00 toe
Rear alignment: ~1.5 camber, 0.05 toe in
Tires: Kuhmo Escta MX (street), Toyo RA1's (track)
2. Use of the car (street, street/track, track/street, track, full race) and model.
'87 944 n/a (slight weight reduction - 2800#'s?)
80% autocross, 10% DE, 10% street
3. Handling characteristics.
Currently running w/ front sway set to ~50%, rear set to 80% soft. Shocks are at about 80% stiff front & rear. Oversteers on large bumps, and understeers slightly on smooth road... although stiffening the shocks has helped quite a bit with this.
In real slow corners I'm getting a lot of inside-rear wheel lift, although softening the rear swaybar has helped with this. Unfortunately it seems to introduce understeer at about the same rate.
I'd love to go to better shocks, but will see what 400# front springs & more front camber will do.
4. Ride quality (for any street use).
My girlfriend claims it's smoother than the STi, but I feel it's a bit harsher. Certainly very 'streetable' however, IMHO.
5. Comparison to other suspension used (not just conjecture).
1000% better than stock 944 suspension (in every way). Similar to STi, but has much better turn-in.
6. Satisfaction with the particular set-up. What's right? What's not so right?
Wish I had more headroom in the shocks, as well as double-adjustability. Unfortunately I currently don't have the budget for anything better.
7. Ballpark price paid.
~$2k

jasonlp

iunno there, i think you can get a pretty good idea about a wife from her past boyfriends, ie , "dude she's a bitch" or "She brings me breakfast in the mornings"

cb951

Misogynistic ramblings aside, this is, indeed, a very subjective issue. But, without the ability to test drive many set-ups, other people's subjective descriptions are all we have to go on. That's why we need many detailed descriptions. We can then interpolate all of the opinions to obtain trends and consistencies.

Thanks to Scootin Newton for the info in the requested format. If everyone provides opinion and experience in the same manner, we can gleam more accurate and consistent info, and be able to sort it in ways that are useful to us all.

shiners780

If you fail to consider causation, those opinions provide nothing of value.

jasonlp

I will try to answer best i can, but i have little experience with suspension set up and i'm in the process of overhauling mine =)

1. What suspension? Strut/shock valving? Spring rates?
bilstein turbo cup suspension
F: 240lbs springs
Turbo s sways
F: camber plates toe in, negative camber
Tires: bfgoodrich g-force sport
2. Use of the car (street, street/track, track/street, track, full race) and model.
'86 951, street, DE
3. Handling characteristics.
Tight on turns but a little over steer
4. Ride quality (for any street use).
bumpy roads = a trip to the dentist
5. Comparison to other suspension used (not just conjecture).
Soon to be able to compare to Kw v3
7. Ballpark price paid.
~$2k
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phils87951

F, Leda single ajustable, canister 900 lbs hypercoils,
R, Leda double ajustable canister 1000 lbs hypercoils
Racers edge solid bearings all around
Charlie arms
Huntley (sorry for the bad memories) Camber plates
tires, F 10.5 x 16 Goodyear racing eagles R 13 x 16 Goodyear racing eagles
968 M030 swaybars
Brakes Stock size 87 951, Hawk blue pads
ride quality, fantastic on a pool table.
Track only car
Handling, Car very balanced, in slow and tight turns, just goes where you aim it
I have run them for years (3+) with out so much as a problem.
very pleased for the money spent. (4k cdn)
Is there better, yes,
There is always a bigger fi$h.............

333pg333

'BIG ASSED EX-GIRLFRIENDS R US'

333pg333

iunno there, i think you can get a pretty good idea about a wife from her past boyfriends, ie , "dude she's a bitch" or "She brings me breakfast in the mornings" " or "Oh she doesn't do that for you...oh sorry"
Whooaah!

porschefig

KW guys.... Does the KW V3 set up have the stronger bolts that the Bilstien Escort Cup guys worry about when they delete the T-bars? Are u running T-bars?