Chris White

My favorite ‘kill’….(just to bring some fun back to the thread)
I was at a DE at Watkins Glen and an obnoxious Ferrari Challenge (a ‘real’ racecar) owner/driver kept passing with out point bys and diving inside in the corners. A real no-no for a drivers ed event. So while I was biding my time at the end of a group of cars he came up behind me a dove under me going into the toe of the boot. I am afraid I couldn’t help myself – I dropped in behind him and stuck to his rear bumper for a whole lap. Keep in mind that I am in my ‘street’ car which looks pretty darn stock from the outside complete with license plates - !
He drove harder and harder, I could see him looking in his mirrors almost more than looking ahead. He was getting erratic – driving 10/10ths or more. I think I heard Italian swearing over the sound of his engine, I know I heard his tires complaining a lot!
When we got close to the next batch of traffic I backed off and gave him a wave goodbye. I didn’t want to push him with others around – what I was doing was bad enough already!!
Never saw him again. The Ferrari trailer packed up and left early….

As for street racing…ah, its all been said before. Its not a test of skill, it’s a test of intelligence. Smart folks take it to the track.

M758

Same here.

Except my Turbo S is now a street car and I have dedicated race car. As for beating cars on track... Well my 944 NA out qualfied a Ferrari 355 and in another race I pulled away from viper after he held me up a for a few laps. Heck I even passed a GT3 RSR on track. I can't really consider and of them kills as they were all faster cars driven by lesser drivers.

Even so I really only car about racing my own class. I just hate it when my race gets screwed up by being stuck behind some yahoo in fast car that can't drive.

lart951

There is a vast difference, between a "spiritted driving" and engaging in a speed contest with another car.

reno808

some of you guys just crack me up.

Lart this is for you

lart951

I am sorry reno, but racing against a suv is not considered a kill.

reno808

dam i am in big shame right now thanks lart

M758

Yep,
Having engaged in 78 speed contests on close race tracks ranging from 25 minutues to 2 hours I will agree completly argree that there is a BIG difference. In fact there is a big difference (or should be) between spirited driving on road and being on the track. These days spirited road driving is about 4/10 to 5/10ths for me.

kiyoskia

At least it's not a "What's the fastest you've gotten pulled over for?"

And what are these tenths you speak of?

Gator_86_951

It may also be instructive to know the difference between "your" "you are" and "you're"

Gator_86_951

Exactly, claiming otherwise concludes there are no interactive effects between the two participants. That is akin to saying no more water is displaced in a bucket when you place another object into it.

kiyoskia

Same goes with their, there and they're.

M758

4 to 5/10 of my abilities. Frequent track drivers talk about driving on the limit as in 10ths of their skill level. Most racers run at 9/10ths during a race to allow some marging for error and no go off track. Qualifying can be done at 10/10th since all you need is one good lap. A minor mistake just costs you a single lap. Most Driver ed folks should go no more than 8/10ths (to 80% of their skill level) until they are ready to walk away from a wadded up car. Many should start at 5/10th of their expected skill level because they just don't know little they really know. Pushing harder leaves you too little allowance for doing anything wrong.

The problem with street racers is that they often times run 11/10ths (over their abilities) in a very unsafe enviroment putting themselves and others around them at risk.

eniac

Speeding on the street is still speeding on the street. It's no more or less dangerous for what you alone are doing. Yes if 2 cars are speeding then of course the chance of something going bad is doubled, but the chance of you doing something bad is still exactly the same.

IMO some fun on the street is ok, just use common sense and dont go racing some import teenager at 100+mph, that is just plain stupid anyway you look at it. People will still have accidents on the street from driving fast no matter if they are racing or not.

eniac

This I agree with 100%

Gator_86_951

The risk increase is clearly not linear.

I was able to be above mid-pack in terms of speed in our 89 930 with original stock suspension at last years 48 hours of Sebring DE among almost entirely prepped cars. Does this qualify as a "kill?"