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randy was kind enough to link the charter;
https://rennlist.com/charter.htm
it seems the 2-post/month limit for sale stuff referrs only to commercial postings, as outlined in article 7;
7. Rennlist will accept occasional commercial postings (not more than twice per month) to the general Rennlist e-mail discussion lists providing that they are short (25 lines or less). The Rennlist Forums will not accept any commercial postings without a Rennlist Sponsorship and/or Membership or prior consent of the Rennlist Administrator(s), and as a Member/Sponsor, limited to two Rennlist Forum threads per month. 'Commercial' postings are defined as those made by vendors with the intent to promote or sell goods or services. If you post as a commercial vendor/business more then twice per month, you will be contacted off the list by the Administrator and could be asked to take a three week "vacation" from Rennlist - should you object, the Administrator will be more then willing to help you "go on vacation" for that time period.
i believe personal for-sale stuff is 4-post/month as outlined by article 12;
12. Rennlist will also accept non-commercial "for sale" or "wanted" postings to all Rennlist E-mail lists only, providing that these postings are not too repetitive. "Repetitive" means posting items for sale more than twice a week or more than four times in one month. These "for sale" or "wanted" posts should be limited to 40 lines or less. On the Rennlist Forums - similar postings will only be permitted if the author is a paid Rennlist Member in good standing. Others will be deleted without notice.
https://rennlist.com/charter.htm
it seems the 2-post/month limit for sale stuff referrs only to commercial postings, as outlined in article 7;
7. Rennlist will accept occasional commercial postings (not more than twice per month) to the general Rennlist e-mail discussion lists providing that they are short (25 lines or less). The Rennlist Forums will not accept any commercial postings without a Rennlist Sponsorship and/or Membership or prior consent of the Rennlist Administrator(s), and as a Member/Sponsor, limited to two Rennlist Forum threads per month. 'Commercial' postings are defined as those made by vendors with the intent to promote or sell goods or services. If you post as a commercial vendor/business more then twice per month, you will be contacted off the list by the Administrator and could be asked to take a three week "vacation" from Rennlist - should you object, the Administrator will be more then willing to help you "go on vacation" for that time period.
i believe personal for-sale stuff is 4-post/month as outlined by article 12;
12. Rennlist will also accept non-commercial "for sale" or "wanted" postings to all Rennlist E-mail lists only, providing that these postings are not too repetitive. "Repetitive" means posting items for sale more than twice a week or more than four times in one month. These "for sale" or "wanted" posts should be limited to 40 lines or less. On the Rennlist Forums - similar postings will only be permitted if the author is a paid Rennlist Member in good standing. Others will be deleted without notice.
12-20-2007, 04:53 PM
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We're here on the forums, not the email lists. Everyone seems to conveniently overlook that when I point out the 2-thread per month rule to 'em.
See the bolded section:
See the bolded section:
12. Rennlist will also accept non-commercial "for sale" or "wanted" postings to all Rennlist E-mail lists only, providing that these postings are not too repetitive. "Repetitive" means posting items for sale more than twice a week or more than four times in one month. These "for sale" or "wanted" posts should be limited to 40 lines or less. On the Rennlist Forums - similar postings will only be permitted if the author is a paid Rennlist Member in good standing. Others will be deleted without notice.
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Well, I think they get them "for free" when they sell you a rebuilt pump and you accept a discount in exchange for your core. Not having to send a core back some vendors is yet another reason to buy new, IMHO.
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along the same lines of your reasoning, the 2-thread per month rule also only applies to the email list only as per article 7;
7. Rennlist will accept occasional commercial postings (not more than twice per month) to the general Rennlist e-mail discussion lists providing that they are short (25 lines or less).
if that's the case, then where in the charter does it limit for-sale threads to 2 per month in the forums?
taking this discussion further, what about the section in article 12 that specifically does mention the forum?
12. Rennlist will also accept non-commercial "for sale" or "wanted" postings to all Rennlist E-mail lists only, providing that these postings are not too repetitive. "Repetitive" means posting items for sale more than twice a week or more than four times in one month. These "for sale" or "wanted" posts should be limited to 40 lines or less. On the Rennlist Forums - similar postings will only be permitted if the author is a paid Rennlist Member in good standing. Others will be deleted without notice.
i'm curious, because it would seem like 'the charter' is being interpreted inconsistently either way you read into it.
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thanks for the reply randy v.
along the same lines of your reasoning, the 2-thread per month rule also only applies to the email list only as per article 7;
7. Rennlist will accept occasional commercial postings (not more than twice per month) to the general Rennlist e-mail discussion lists providing that they are short (25 lines or less).
if that's the case, then where in the charter does it limit for-sale threads to 2 per month in the forums?
taking this discussion further, what about the section in article 12 that specifically does mention the forum?
12. Rennlist will also accept non-commercial "for sale" or "wanted" postings to all Rennlist E-mail lists only, providing that these postings are not too repetitive. "Repetitive" means posting items for sale more than twice a week or more than four times in one month. These "for sale" or "wanted" posts should be limited to 40 lines or less. On the Rennlist Forums - similar postings will only be permitted if the author is a paid Rennlist Member in good standing. Others will be deleted without notice.
i'm curious, because it would seem like 'the charter' is being interpreted inconsistently either way you read into it.
along the same lines of your reasoning, the 2-thread per month rule also only applies to the email list only as per article 7;
7. Rennlist will accept occasional commercial postings (not more than twice per month) to the general Rennlist e-mail discussion lists providing that they are short (25 lines or less).
if that's the case, then where in the charter does it limit for-sale threads to 2 per month in the forums?
taking this discussion further, what about the section in article 12 that specifically does mention the forum?
12. Rennlist will also accept non-commercial "for sale" or "wanted" postings to all Rennlist E-mail lists only, providing that these postings are not too repetitive. "Repetitive" means posting items for sale more than twice a week or more than four times in one month. These "for sale" or "wanted" posts should be limited to 40 lines or less. On the Rennlist Forums - similar postings will only be permitted if the author is a paid Rennlist Member in good standing. Others will be deleted without notice.
i'm curious, because it would seem like 'the charter' is being interpreted inconsistently either way you read into it.
Shame on you nize for implying that the charter is being interpreted inconsistenly, the RL charter is interpreted with great integrity, justice and equality just in the same way that Fidel Castro interprets the Cuban constitution.
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OK, one last time, for the aspiring attorneys out there:
Article 7:
Rennlist will accept occasional commercial postings (not more than twice per month) to the general Rennlist e-mail discussion lists providing that they are short (25 lines or less). The Rennlist Forums will not accept any commercial postings without a Rennlist Sponsorship and/or Membership or prior consent of the Rennlist Administrator(s), and as a Member/Sponsor, limited to two Rennlist Forum threads per month. 'Commercial' postings are defined as those made by vendors with the intent to promote or sell goods or services. If you post as a commercial vendor/business more then twice per month, you will be contacted off the list by the Administrator and could be asked to take a three week "vacation" from Rennlist - should you object, the Administrator will be more then willing to help you "go on vacation" for that time period.
Article 7:
Rennlist will accept occasional commercial postings (not more than twice per month) to the general Rennlist e-mail discussion lists providing that they are short (25 lines or less). The Rennlist Forums will not accept any commercial postings without a Rennlist Sponsorship and/or Membership or prior consent of the Rennlist Administrator(s), and as a Member/Sponsor, limited to two Rennlist Forum threads per month. 'Commercial' postings are defined as those made by vendors with the intent to promote or sell goods or services. If you post as a commercial vendor/business more then twice per month, you will be contacted off the list by the Administrator and could be asked to take a three week "vacation" from Rennlist - should you object, the Administrator will be more then willing to help you "go on vacation" for that time period.
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OK, one last time, for the aspiring attorneys out there:
Article 7:
Rennlist will accept occasional commercial postings (not more than twice per month) to the general Rennlist e-mail discussion lists providing that they are short (25 lines or less). The Rennlist Forums will not accept any commercial postings without a Rennlist Sponsorship and/or Membership or prior consent of the Rennlist Administrator(s), and as a Member/Sponsor, limited to two Rennlist Forum threads per month. 'Commercial' postings are defined as those made by vendors with the intent to promote or sell goods or services. If you post as a commercial vendor/business more then twice per month, you will be contacted off the list by the Administrator and could be asked to take a three week "vacation" from Rennlist - should you object, the Administrator will be more then willing to help you "go on vacation" for that time period.
Article 7:
Rennlist will accept occasional commercial postings (not more than twice per month) to the general Rennlist e-mail discussion lists providing that they are short (25 lines or less). The Rennlist Forums will not accept any commercial postings without a Rennlist Sponsorship and/or Membership or prior consent of the Rennlist Administrator(s), and as a Member/Sponsor, limited to two Rennlist Forum threads per month. 'Commercial' postings are defined as those made by vendors with the intent to promote or sell goods or services. If you post as a commercial vendor/business more then twice per month, you will be contacted off the list by the Administrator and could be asked to take a three week "vacation" from Rennlist - should you object, the Administrator will be more then willing to help you "go on vacation" for that time period.
if i'm not mistaken, article 7 refers to:
commercial postings which "are defined as those made by vendors with the intent to promote or sell goods or services."
article 12 refers to:
non-commercial "for sale" or "wanted" postings
both articles 7 and 12 mentions both the email list as well as the forum. wouldn't the average joe like me posting something for sale fall specifically under article 12 as read below?
12. Rennlist will also accept non-commercial "for sale" or "wanted" postings to all Rennlist E-mail lists only, providing that these postings are not too repetitive. "Repetitive" means posting items for sale more than twice a week or more than four times in one month. These "for sale" or "wanted" posts should be limited to 40 lines or less. On the Rennlist Forums - similar postings will only be permitted if the author is a paid Rennlist Member in good standing.
so again, why are you quoting article 7 (commercial sale) when restricting posts to 2 per month, and not article 12 (non-commercial for-sale posts) which allows 4 per month?