Notices
944 Turbo and Turbo-S Forum 1982-1991
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Clore Automotive

Tips on holding a flat boost curve - w/ single port??

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 07-10-2007, 03:06 PM
  #16  
Oddjob
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
Oddjob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Midwest - US
Posts: 4,651
Received 68 Likes on 54 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by eniac
A stock k26/6 can only hold 9-11 psi at redline. Im not sure what a k26/8 can do but I doubt it's much higher. They do peak at 22 or whatever but there is no way you are going to see 18psi at redline with a k26/6, I highly doubt with a 26/8 either. Since you have a single port WG, you can try disconnect the boost controller completely and control boost by the wg spring alone. Keep an eye on boost so you don't break something. Slowly get to the upper RPM before pushing the pedal down. You will see the boost raise then bleed off as you get closer to redline.
9-11 psi is the stock 217hp boost levels - both the K26/6 and 8 are capable of more than that.

If you connect the manifold pressure line directly to the waste gate, you get virtually no boost - the factory WG opens at approx 3 psi.
Old 07-10-2007, 03:22 PM
  #17  
reno808
Rennlist Member
 
reno808's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: In the garage trying to keep boost down
Posts: 8,809
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Oddjob
Then Im confused about what you are talking about the diverter/bypass valve building boost and swapping springs in it?
On some diverter valve DV/ blow valve BOV you can change the spring inside. You can either stiffen or weaken the spring depending on the amount of boost your running.
Old 07-10-2007, 03:28 PM
  #18  
333pg333
Rennlist Member
 
333pg333's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Australia
Posts: 18,917
Received 96 Likes on 79 Posts
Default

The k26/8 will definitely hold more than 14 psi at redline. I saw over 30spi (not at redline though) when my Tial failed.
Old 07-10-2007, 03:28 PM
  #19  
LFA951
Drifting
 
LFA951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: SFL
Posts: 2,405
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by reno808
On some diverter valve DV/ blow valve BOV you can change the spring inside. You can either stiffen or weaken the spring depending on the amount of boost your running.
What if you have a piston and not a spring??
Old 07-10-2007, 03:29 PM
  #20  
LFA951
Drifting
 
LFA951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: SFL
Posts: 2,405
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by eniac
A stock k26/6 can only hold 9-11 psi at redline. Im not sure what a k26/8 can do but I doubt it's much higher. They do peak at 22 or whatever but there is no way you are going to see 18psi at redline with a k26/6, I highly doubt with a 26/8 either. Since you have a single port WG, you can try disconnect the boost controller completely and control boost by the wg spring alone. Keep an eye on boost so you don't break something. Slowly get to the upper RPM before pushing the pedal down. You will see the boost raise then bleed off as you get closer to redline.
I have a K26/8 at maximum boost of 15 psi and it holds it til redline with a stock wastegate...
Old 07-10-2007, 03:36 PM
  #21  
LFA951
Drifting
 
LFA951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: SFL
Posts: 2,405
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by reno808
Well the wastegate is what allows it to hold boost while the diverter valve is what builds up the boost. You can also play around with different spring settings on the diverter valve. and the EBC is what controls the boost.
Wrong, the turbo builds up the boost, the wastegate controls the pressure and the BOV dumps the excess pressure out when you let go of the gas...
Old 07-10-2007, 03:38 PM
  #22  
reno808
Rennlist Member
 
reno808's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: In the garage trying to keep boost down
Posts: 8,809
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by LFA951
What if you have a piston and not a spring??
I am not sure. Dont they all have springs????
Old 07-10-2007, 03:47 PM
  #23  
LFA951
Drifting
 
LFA951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: SFL
Posts: 2,405
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by reno808
I am not sure. Dont they all have springs????
Noooooo
Old 07-10-2007, 04:04 PM
  #24  
reno808
Rennlist Member
 
reno808's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: In the garage trying to keep boost down
Posts: 8,809
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by LFA951
Noooooo
then i have no idea i was only talking about the forge interchangable spring diverter valve.
Old 07-10-2007, 04:07 PM
  #25  
lart951
Basic Sponsor
Rennlist
Site Sponsor

 
lart951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: California
Posts: 14,444
Received 93 Likes on 55 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by reno808
then i have no idea i was only talking about the forge interchangable spring diverter valve.
bov's do have a spring, let me cut a few i'll let you know
Old 07-10-2007, 04:12 PM
  #26  
reno808
Rennlist Member
 
reno808's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: In the garage trying to keep boost down
Posts: 8,809
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

hows does a piston one work?
Old 07-10-2007, 04:17 PM
  #27  
LFA951
Drifting
 
LFA951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: SFL
Posts: 2,405
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by reno808
hows does a piston one work?
It works more like a hydraulic or pneumatic shock...
Old 07-10-2007, 04:55 PM
  #28  
eniac
Drifting
 
eniac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Michigan
Posts: 2,023
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Oddjob
9-11 psi is the stock 217hp boost levels - both the K26/6 and 8 are capable of more than that.

If you connect the manifold pressure line directly to the waste gate, you get virtually no boost - the factory WG opens at approx 3 psi.
I was talking about disconnect the WG line completely so boost is 100% controlled by the WG spring. This is dangerous but if you keep an eye on the boost it will it eliminate anything electrical causing it to bleed off. The k26/6 cannot hold boost at redline. I didn't beleive it myself until I had a discussion about it with Huntley. I then talk to the people at majestic turbo who showed me the numbers on the k26/6 and that it's simply not possible to sustain boost levels that high. It can only spike that high. I then performed the same test with a factory, but fully working, WG. I remoed the line, slowly ran the car up to high rpms then pushed the pedal down. My boost spiked to 21 psi before dropping to 11psi where it stayed. I'll try to look up the calculations on it as it was 4 years ago I did this.

Again I am not talking about what the stock turbo can spike on your boost guage for a few seconds before you shift or let off. I am talking about what the turbo is capable of sustaining at a high rpm.
Old 07-10-2007, 04:57 PM
  #29  
JE_951
Pro
 
JE_951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Sammamish, WA
Posts: 708
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I have the 26/6 and was spiking 26psi and can hold 15psi solid to redline. I think IT HAS held 16psi before when I turned up the boost but that was maxed out on a cold day.

I also have black ***, tial 38 (with 1bar spring), and MAF.
Old 07-10-2007, 05:24 PM
  #30  
eniac
Drifting
 
eniac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Michigan
Posts: 2,023
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by JE_951
I have the 26/6 and was spiking 26psi and can hold 15psi solid to redline. I think IT HAS held 16psi before when I turned up the boost but that was maxed out on a cold day.

I also have black ***, tial 38 (with 1bar spring), and MAF.
As I said it was 4 years ago but for some reason I recall 11psi was the max sustainable boost for the k26/6. I'll have to dig up those old papers. I am curious how long have you held it at 15 or 16 psi? The biggest thing is, as you know, boost is affected by load. Its when your acceleration slows that the k26/6 has a hard time holding boost. Based on these responses, I'll look it up when I get home and post the calculations before I say anything more in case my memory is off.


Quick Reply: Tips on holding a flat boost curve - w/ single port??



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 03:21 PM.