This is the other issue with this set up that I have run across on more than one occassion.

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If it's just the welding and rubbing that's the issue, why not just add some more welding where needed and trim the bits that rub?

I'm a little surprised Brian went off at Chris like that.. Brians not usually that hostile.. maybe he's had too much of our turbid tapwater...

 

The welding itself looks to blame..... totaly diffrent from the product on page 1.

 

Chris, thanks for posting Your contribution to these discussions is always first rate.

All I have to say is OH MY. Looks like they now weld around the entire plate but I will stick with purchasing the cross over when I pull the engine this winter.

 

Chris P, you still haven't confirmed your post about not needing a support from above when removing the crossmember. How can you justify placing a 2x4 by the starter? You're levering a 400 pound engine on 4 little bolts...

 

Some of the worst deaths and injuries ive heard/read/etc of have happened to people who were experienced at what they were doing, 10, 15, 20+ years. Said experience in some cases gave them enough complancancey to put them in the wrong place at the wrong time, or do something unsafely. Do you know what 30,000 pounds of mild steel plate will do when its swinging, and youre caught between it and a solid wall? People have died like that, doing what theyd done well for years without incident. Those plates can be 40+ feet long, meaning you have to be in its center to run TWO cranes. It was low enough that they couldnt duck or jump out of the way.... But some never even saw it coming, they let themselves get distracted, or whatever.

Ive seen experienced people do stuff like that. Ive seen them have close calls too, hell ive even had close calls because of someone elses actions, and it REALLY PISSES ME OFF when people suggest doing such things and try to back it up under the guise of years of experience and knowledge, or nothing bad having happened to them.

Had I suggested working under a car with only a hydraulic jack holding it up, I think there would have been a response a tad bit stronger than a lightbulb comment. And thats with a device designed to support 4000+ pounds holding 2000. I could even back that up with experience. No one I know has had a trolley jack fail, and the one I use thats older than I am has never even twitched while doing its thing.... You still wont find me fiddling around under ANY car supported only by a hydraulic jack.

And yet here we are, someone (however experienced and full of knowledge they are, and yes I have no problem bowing to your experience with Porsches) suggesting supporting 500+ pounds with a little brace supported by four small studs in sheet metal, and the one who points out the sillyness of this idea is getting called out. Yes maybe I was harsh, sorry if you were so offended.... But you should never have suggested that idea, nevermind doing it yourself. Sure, no one will get squashed between 30,000 pounds of steel plate and a huge I-Beam supporting an aircraft hanger sized structure and huge cranes.... But still.

Experience can be a persons greatest ally, or sometimes... A persons greatest enemy. IMHO you of all people in this thread, with your 20+ years of experience, should know better than to put yourself in an unsafe position, even if it is under "only" an engine. But hey, if it works for you it works for you. Being on the wrong side of a steel plate works for a lot of people, worked for some until they got sliced in half or smashed.

And since my job experience is obviously an issue....
2 years: A job at a steel cutting company, sometimes moving 30,000 pounds of steel plate with monster overhead cranes using electromagnets that each outweigh a 944 Turbo.
1 year: Network Tech, then Sys Admin at a Customs Company.
Approx 10 months: Third Tier Support for a company that makes electronic bingo machines.
Starting Dec 4: PACS Specialist, setting up the computers that handle data from MIR/XRay/etc machines.

 

Us out in Surrey only had to boil for 36 hours, if that Imagine that, something in Surrey thats clean

 

Yeah.. Two totally different products... I still have not seen mine yet, but what do you guys think about adding more welding to it, if it happens to be like the one in Chris's pictures? Do you think that would be cheesy? I mean I can grind it down and weld from fresh but I don't think that's necessary..

Who needs drinking water? I'm happy living on milk, beer and coke. BTW, how much snow u got in out there in Slurry? I just spent an hour shoveling...

 

Were way past 6 inches now I think. Powers gone out twice today, and its out at my friends house up the street now. Im glad I dont start work for a while yet, ill get to sleep in tomorrow and avoid traffic and all that

 

It appears that Chris neglected to respond to the question that ‘ibkevin’ asked, “how did Lindsey respond to it.” Let me fill in the blanks and then the community here can decide for itself whether the complaint Chris laid out here was presented fairly.

Yes Chris did contact Lindsey Racing, me personally. I instructed Chris to let me know once the crossmember was removed from the car. We sent out a call tag for the part which was brought back for inspection, we paid for the freight to get it back to us. Upon inspection, it was clear that a weld was overlooked, that was the reason that the weld at the end of the plate started to crack.

We did not just add the missing weld but we removed the plate that the weld was missing on, set it back up in the fixture and installed a new one plate. We also cleaned, glass beaded and re-painted all three components in the set. When the kit was sent back to Chris, it looked like a brand new one, including new hardware. Again we paid for the freight back. This repair operation was done in 24 hours.

To clarify another item from a post by Chris, there are 8 bolts in this assembly and they are 8mm, not the 6mm as mentioned.

I admit this problem should have never occurred, I personally weld each and every one of these conversions we do. I don’t have an explanation for how the weld was overlooked and I am not going to make excuses. When we were made aware of it, we took care of it immediately, promptly and we stood all the freight costs. If there is something else I could have done to resolve the issue, I can’t imagine what it might have been.

Mike Lindsey

 

Thanks for the education Mike and for taking the time to respond here. I think it shows great customer service from Lindsey Racing.

Cheers,

 

Thanks for the info Mike. Good to hear that the issue was a QC issue and not a design flaw. Have you had any issues with the flange rubbing the oil pan as show in the pic in Chris second pic post?

Thanks,

 

I only posted this thread to share my feedback to my recent LR purchase.
I was surprised by some of the negative reaction it prompted.
However the pictures posted caused me to pause and note as others have that my purchase shows the welds extending completely around the plate.

Your response has removed any doubts about your product the use of that in any application (track,street etc.) and your follow up customer service.

Thanks again for responding and keep up the good work it is appreciated.

-BB

 

 

As stated, my rig has held well.

Mike, it's always nice to hear the vendor's side directly from the vendor, it really cust through the BS. Thanks!

... it's been a year and a half since the last group buy *wink wink*