Introduction/Guidance/Assistance
#1
Introduction/Guidance/Assistance
Hello to all,
My name is Frank and I am an expatriate currently residing in the mother-land of Porsche. I have been religiously reading this particular forum on a daily basis and I must say that I have enjoyed reading every post and all replies as it continues to inform, educate, and amuse.
My dilemma:
I have been searching for a 951 for about 2 years now and have finally worn down my better half to allow me to simply purchase one stateside and ship to Germany. All my friends & family stateside can't believe that I cannot find "the one" here but they don't know the market and they certainly don't understand the exchange rate. I have driven every 951 in a 200 KM radius and they rate from absolutely fabulous to absolutely pathetic. The latter being the majority of them as the cost to upkeep is just so high and they appear to change hands whenever major service is required. The former being just too expensive. I have been to dealerships (mostly joe-schmoe places) and allot of private sales and I just can't shake the people that are trying to cover up something or think that I have not done my homework. It's just disheartening when you have the desire and the means to purchase such a fine machine and wish only to enjoy, maintain, and ensure that it's legacy lives on with care and respect and yet I am unable to find the right starting point (a decent 951).
I realize that these cars require investments and I am very willing to do so. I do allot of work on my own but I also know my limitations. I have a nice set of workshop manuals sitting in the garage waiting for a 951 to utilize them although Vol. 6 has been in the "reading room" for some time now
Assistance requested:
If anyone personally knows of a good (great) 951, please PM me or even reply to this post. If I locate one in a particular area, could I ask for assistance in checking its condition and ensuring I am getting what I pay for? I value and respect the opinions of the people on this board and I know in my heart that most, if not all of you want to see these cars cared for and enjoyed. To the people on these boards who live in other parts of Europe, I am always open to purchasing one here but I do need to go back home eventually so a U.S. spec 951 would save me the hassle of a conversion. BTW, has anyone ever done a conversion? See: http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/import/ELIG010906.html
Thank you all for your time and I look forward to contributing to these boards.
Frank
Note to self: Please insert 951 here A.S.A.P.
1994 Mercedes Benz C280 (Avatar)
1992 BMW 325 Turbo Diesel (RIP)
1998 Dodge Caravan (This thing is cool with the family)
1996 Chevy Cavalier (sold)
1990 Jeep Wrangler (sold)
1986 Nissan 300 ZX (RIP around that tree)
1984 Chevy Cavalier (my first car)
My name is Frank and I am an expatriate currently residing in the mother-land of Porsche. I have been religiously reading this particular forum on a daily basis and I must say that I have enjoyed reading every post and all replies as it continues to inform, educate, and amuse.
My dilemma:
I have been searching for a 951 for about 2 years now and have finally worn down my better half to allow me to simply purchase one stateside and ship to Germany. All my friends & family stateside can't believe that I cannot find "the one" here but they don't know the market and they certainly don't understand the exchange rate. I have driven every 951 in a 200 KM radius and they rate from absolutely fabulous to absolutely pathetic. The latter being the majority of them as the cost to upkeep is just so high and they appear to change hands whenever major service is required. The former being just too expensive. I have been to dealerships (mostly joe-schmoe places) and allot of private sales and I just can't shake the people that are trying to cover up something or think that I have not done my homework. It's just disheartening when you have the desire and the means to purchase such a fine machine and wish only to enjoy, maintain, and ensure that it's legacy lives on with care and respect and yet I am unable to find the right starting point (a decent 951).
I realize that these cars require investments and I am very willing to do so. I do allot of work on my own but I also know my limitations. I have a nice set of workshop manuals sitting in the garage waiting for a 951 to utilize them although Vol. 6 has been in the "reading room" for some time now
Assistance requested:
If anyone personally knows of a good (great) 951, please PM me or even reply to this post. If I locate one in a particular area, could I ask for assistance in checking its condition and ensuring I am getting what I pay for? I value and respect the opinions of the people on this board and I know in my heart that most, if not all of you want to see these cars cared for and enjoyed. To the people on these boards who live in other parts of Europe, I am always open to purchasing one here but I do need to go back home eventually so a U.S. spec 951 would save me the hassle of a conversion. BTW, has anyone ever done a conversion? See: http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/import/ELIG010906.html
Thank you all for your time and I look forward to contributing to these boards.
Frank
Note to self: Please insert 951 here A.S.A.P.
1994 Mercedes Benz C280 (Avatar)
1992 BMW 325 Turbo Diesel (RIP)
1998 Dodge Caravan (This thing is cool with the family)
1996 Chevy Cavalier (sold)
1990 Jeep Wrangler (sold)
1986 Nissan 300 ZX (RIP around that tree)
1984 Chevy Cavalier (my first car)
#3
Thanks Wes
The problem is the huge price difference between Euro and the US cars. I fully understand fair market value but to think that I would pay 2 to 3 times more for the same car is just mind numbing.
The link here is a Europe wide search for a Porsche 944 Turbo. Keep in mind the exchange rate (1.27 Euro=$1) and KM's to Miles (1 kilometer = 0.62 miles). I will use the first 951 of the search for an example and I have done the conversion already.
1986 Porsche 944 Turbo
191,382 Miles
$6,396.72
Condition unknown aside from pics posted.
http://mobile.de/SID4k9YrrKDd4Xbb4dW...0&doSearch.y=0
The problem is the huge price difference between Euro and the US cars. I fully understand fair market value but to think that I would pay 2 to 3 times more for the same car is just mind numbing.
The link here is a Europe wide search for a Porsche 944 Turbo. Keep in mind the exchange rate (1.27 Euro=$1) and KM's to Miles (1 kilometer = 0.62 miles). I will use the first 951 of the search for an example and I have done the conversion already.
1986 Porsche 944 Turbo
191,382 Miles
$6,396.72
Condition unknown aside from pics posted.
http://mobile.de/SID4k9YrrKDd4Xbb4dW...0&doSearch.y=0
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#9
$6000 for 200k on a well documented and maintained turbo is not bad. That is if the rest of the car is in good shape. Just my opinion. You will pay 8k up for a half decent one in the U.S.(many will argue, although I searched for 1 1/2 yrs in that price range and never found a decent a car. I ended up paying a good bit more for mine). For a nice lower mileage 951 in the U.S. expect to pay 10k plus shipping it over. Good luck, and please post pics of the car you end up with.
#11
black944: For 6K here you get no documentation (9 times out of 10). The brown-metalic one for EUR 8,990 ($11,495.95) had excellent documentation (everything since birth) but the 2 accidents, corroded brake lines, corroded fuel line, header bolt sticking out, not really 1 owner, KM's not really truthful, and oil everywhere underneath caused me to walk away from that one. 10K I would pay for a LOW mileage 951 but I would need to see something in blood from someone backing that up. Will posts pics when one is sitting in my garage. I don't think I will sleep for days once I have one
sillbeer: That one is sweet but your right, the price is just way to much. $17,897.61 is not my idea of a smart buy.
sillbeer: That one is sweet but your right, the price is just way to much. $17,897.61 is not my idea of a smart buy.