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Old 02-06-2006, 11:46 AM
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A lot depends on your goals with the car, too. I agree that standalone offers a higher performance ceiling, but for my purposes, MAF works just fine and is easier and less expensive. My goals are modest tho, as I have no intentions of going past 300rwhp. I want reliability and useable hp on the track and my driving skills wouldn't support more power.

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Old 02-06-2006, 01:09 PM
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Electromotive TEC-3 and possibly the new Generation-2 Link setup. Nothing definite yet, but I figure since I'm doing all these other upgrades, it's something to consider. . .
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Chris white is you're man for Tec-3
Old 02-06-2006, 11:09 PM
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I got an early B-day present last week and I will be using MAP

Old 02-06-2006, 11:27 PM
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At the end of the day it is the mapping that matters most.
Which means how good the tuner is at mapping.
Old 02-07-2006, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by J Chen
At the end of the day it is the mapping that matters most.
Which means how good the tuner is at mapping.
Exactly, a well mapped Motronic will give much better performance than a badly mapped Motec (or whatever aftermarket brand you prefer) and vice versa.
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Originally Posted by Tomas L
Exactly, a well mapped Motronic will give much better performance than a badly mapped Motec (or whatever aftermarket brand you prefer) and vice versa.
Been wittiness to a few engines going up in smoke because of pushing to hard and to quick during tuning or just being unfamiliar with the system and it only takes just a few milliseconds on some engines for things to go really bad.

And yes Motronic is a great system as Porsche continues to use it on everything from Boxters to GT2s.
I just don't have a way of easly tuning it and the Motec M4 was FREE so there ya go
Old 02-07-2006, 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by J Chen
At the end of the day it is the mapping that matters most.
Which means how good the tuner is at mapping.
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!

my car is using a map sensor with a remapped ecu and it runs like a dream...ZERO LAG and INSTANT SPOOLUP....hats off to wayne schofield of www.chipwizards.co.uk
Old 02-08-2006, 02:47 AM
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Hi 420WHP944,
How much does the chip cost ? Are you running
with an AFM LINK with a 3 bar sensor upgrade ?
Old 02-08-2006, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by pk951
Rick

On the linsdey site they say the system is plug and play?

Did you get any start up maps with the Wolf system?

How much tuning have you done to get the tinning and fuel maps right?
Best to speak to Dave Linsdey. When I got my system it had a number of maps available and a lot of work has been done since then. Those of us who are using the Wolf-3D setup are tending to share maps. I've got some custom sensor maps on mine for things like the relocated ATS that is now in the inlet manifold just after the throttle body.

My car is way different from a stock 951S configuration. Since I installed the setup from Dave, I'm now running sequential injection and just about to add coil-on-plug sequential.

To go sequential injection I've added a cam chopper disc and to go sequential ignition I'm changing the single channel J&S as supplied in Dave's version to a 4 channel version and an MSD DIS-4 to ignite the coils.

The Wolf will certainly give you a lot of options, but to get the best you will have to work at it.

I also think that most people using the LR setup will be installing it in to 951's that already have other modifications to get the best from those modifications. For example it has MAP built in, so you would probably want to get rid of the AFM to clear the inlet tract to the turbo .... As more people start using it there will be a wider range of 'base maps' available.

HTH

Rick.
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I second Chris White and his terrific support with the Electromotive products. He has helped me immensely with my TEC2 turning and I did not even buy the thing from him (came with car...but it was also dumpimg fuel every revolution like a 2-cycle amongst many other probs). Jeff if you go the Electromotive route, I will be happy to share what parameters/maps I have.
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Though I have not gone standalone but will do in the
coming months, it is my opinion after studying a number
of standalone, I've come to the conclusion that the HKS
Fcon V pro is one of the best if not the best out there.
Why, cause I had the opportunity to drive a couple of
Scoobies fitted with different ECU's & the HKS unit
comes up tops in terms of drivability especially on
highly modified engines. Yes alot still depends on
the mapping but the resolution of the Fcon is really
second to none Motec included really really sharp
throttle response with very little turbo lag
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Originally Posted by J Chen
Hi 420WHP944,
How much does the chip cost ? Are you running
with an AFM LINK with a 3 bar sensor upgrade ?
Hi j chen,
I dont know how much the chip cost because I bought the car with all the work done by the previous owner, Andrew Sweetenham of www.promaxmotorsport.com.

The car was remapped on a dyno by wayne schofield of www.chipwizards.co.uk

sorry i cant be more helpful but if you contact andrew at promax he'll be delighted i'm sure to give you all the relevent details..
Old 02-09-2006, 11:44 AM
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Thanks 420RWHP944. Got a reply from Wanye.


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