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Old 01-04-2006 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by streckfu's951
Ask him. He may post his results here.
Here it is.

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Old 01-04-2006 | 12:59 PM
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Now that he's been exiled for awhile, why not invite him back?
Just speculating....Maybe he has more to add by now.

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Old 01-04-2006 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by streckfu's951
I forget who posted it but someone once wrote that at slower speeds the stock set-up is more efficient because of the way the air is pushed through the plastic duct to the intercooler. Once the nose panel is vented, the duct doesn't pressurize as well and the air speed needs to be higher to re-gain cooling efficiency.

At highway speeds and above, the vented panels supposedly work well. I cut the plastic duct in order to retain a way to prevent air from escaping around the sides of the IC.

Scientific data, no.
Korky Bell recomends an inlet size of 20% the frontal area of the IC. The stock design is 46% the area of the core and sealed with the plastic shroud.
I also measured the pressure data at different areas along the flow path, I can not remeber what the numbers were but there is a substantial pressure build up and then drop as cooling air flows across the IC.

The inlet is also in the highes pressure area of the nose and with a flush auxilary inlet there is less pressure which means air would escape from the IC duct. I did a project in a fluids class and saw the flow lines for a 951 going 60 MPH.
Conclusion, I do have some data and it is not perfect but gives a MUCH better means of evaluation than guesses and from this I would not put a vented pannel on unless it is a raised design to clear a taller IC.
Old 01-04-2006 | 02:08 PM
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azmi951,
Any chance you can dig up some of that info?

What other factors did you consider? I don't think NZ was the only one to measure cooler intake temps with the vented nose panels. Have you done anything with temps?

What about air volume? The air pressure may be higher in the stock configuration but if the vent allows more volume through the IC, could that improve the cooling?

Obviously, I'm not an engineer so I have to ask.
Old 01-04-2006 | 02:16 PM
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Is our IC panel thin enough to use some good tin snips?
Old 01-04-2006 | 02:22 PM
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Also, slightly OT, but how hard would it be to take out stock IC, cut the end caps, and just reweld to a bigger core?

As you can get heat exchanger cores pretty cheap. They only get expensive when you call them intercoolers
Old 01-04-2006 | 02:23 PM
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Would an IC sprayer yield better results then the vented panel? About the same cost.
Old 01-04-2006 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by streckfu's951
azmi951,
Any chance you can dig up some of that info?

What other factors did you consider? I don't think NZ was the only one to measure cooler intake temps with the vented nose panels. Have you done anything with temps?

What about air volume? The air pressure may be higher in the stock configuration but if the vent allows more volume through the IC, could that improve the cooling?

Obviously, I'm not an engineer so I have to ask.
I did nothing with temps since temperature is a transient condition. However the proper way to evaluate intercoolers is but the NTU effectiveness method. This differs from efficency in that it considers the physical properties of the heat exchainger not the results (temeperatures) at one condition.

The air volume is easy to measure, take the surface area of the inlet or IC and take a velocity and pressure reading there. You will then know the mass flow rate of cooling air. The higher it is the better the duct.

I will dig up the data tonight.
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Originally Posted by toddk911
Would an IC sprayer yield better results then the vented panel? About the same cost.
IMHO YES!!! but you have to keep it filled to work.
Old 01-04-2006 | 04:39 PM
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A bit off topic, but has anyone come out with a heat-extractor hood to help draw air through, and heat out?
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Originally Posted by bleucamaro
A bit off topic, but has anyone come out with a heat-extractor hood to help draw air through, and heat out?

A very few people have installed a 968 turbo S type extractor. It will take a dive into the archives for me to find a picture.
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Originally Posted by azmi951
I will dig up the data tonight.
How much of an issue is the scavenging of air through out engine campartment. The top is pretty well sealed leaving the air to be sucked out from underneath.

How much of a benifit do you think a 968 turbo type scanvenger would be?
Old 01-04-2006 | 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by streckfu's951
How much of an issue is the scavenging of air through out engine campartment. The top is pretty well sealed leaving the air to be sucked out from underneath.

How much of a benifit do you think a 968 turbo type scanvenger would be?




Old 01-04-2006 | 05:25 PM
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Ewwwww that white one looks terrible, I bet it makes no power at all, and its all for show. lol
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Originally Posted by Turbo944T
Ewwwww that white one looks terrible, I bet it makes no power at all, and its all for show. lol

Not as slow as white intercooler pipes....


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