Turbo S springs?
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Turbo S springs?
I need to replace my front shocks, probably with Koni yellows from paragon, and I would like to add some slightly stiffer springs as well, but I don't want to lower the car.
I have an 88 Turbo, can I install Turbo S springs, and how much stiffer would they be, if any?
If they are stiffer and maintain stock height, does anyone have any extras lying around they would like to sell?
Thanks, Ian
I have an 88 Turbo, can I install Turbo S springs, and how much stiffer would they be, if any?
If they are stiffer and maintain stock height, does anyone have any extras lying around they would like to sell?
Thanks, Ian
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I have the whole strut assemblies off my '89 with the yellow Konis and height adjustable springs. I could probably even dig up the upper mounts so you could just bolt them in. I don't know what the going price for those is, but I'm tired of stepping over them in the garage and I'm willing to make a deal. Heck, I'll sell you the rear torsion bars while you are at it. :-)
West
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Ok, that sounds like a good plan. Send me an IM or an email and we can try to figure out a price.
Can anyone confirm that the swap will work without problems? And will I need his upper mounts?
-Ian
Can anyone confirm that the swap will work without problems? And will I need his upper mounts?
-Ian
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I have the same setup as West I'm trying to sell. The problem with used struts/shocks is that you never know if they are better what you already have. Yeah, they are Koni's, but from 1989!!!! I'd certainly say they need to be rebuilt for best results or an even noticable difference
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Thats a good point Mike. It may depend on mileage as well. My stock shocks have 114k on them, which is apparently too much. I'm not sure how much mileage yours and West's have.
I'm hoping that if they were good when taken off the car they'll be good for a while more, but that may not be true.
Koni rebuilds cost around $100/each, correct?
Are the yellows different from the M030 option on the TurboS? Most of the information I've found talks about the M030's.
-Ian
I'm hoping that if they were good when taken off the car they'll be good for a while more, but that may not be true.
Koni rebuilds cost around $100/each, correct?
Are the yellows different from the M030 option on the TurboS? Most of the information I've found talks about the M030's.
-Ian
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Originally Posted by IanS
I need to replace my front shocks, probably with Koni yellows from paragon, and I would like to add some slightly stiffer springs as well, but I don't want to lower the car.
I have an 88 Turbo, can I install Turbo S springs, and how much stiffer would they be, if any?
If they are stiffer and maintain stock height, does anyone have any extras lying around they would like to sell?
Thanks, Ian
I have an 88 Turbo, can I install Turbo S springs, and how much stiffer would they be, if any?
If they are stiffer and maintain stock height, does anyone have any extras lying around they would like to sell?
Thanks, Ian
As you can already see below here, the 951S springs will not fit your standard struts. Further, they are only marginally stiffer (~20#). So, the other popular option is to simply use the complete 951S strut+spring. Since it's likely a rebuild will be in order, we suggest you have them done with slightly higher valving and made double adjustable [$350/set + 2-way shipping and wait time]. You can also add the adjustable ride height kit to this setup with choice of spring rate [still $240 complete]. However, once you go to this trouble in the front, there is no good match for the rear unless you go with the Koni Cup style coil-over (matched valving, height and double adjustable) [$895 complete].
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Originally Posted by IanS
Koni rebuilds cost around $100/each, correct?
Are the yellows different from the M030 option on the TurboS? Most of the information I've found talks about the M030's.
-Ian
Are the yellows different from the M030 option on the TurboS? Most of the information I've found talks about the M030's.
-Ian
The 8641-1414S (insert) and the OE 951S M030 Koni Sports are nearly identical.
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Thanks for all the information Skip. I was considering asking you all the questions you just answered The koni sport inserts were what I originally had in mind, and when I first asked about TurboS springs I thought they might be a direct swap for my current springs.
It seems the TurboS suspension is only a worthwhile change if the shocks don't need to be rebuilt(questionable at this age) or they are very reasonably priced and I wanted to rebuild them to be double adjustable?
If Mike and West would like to email or PM me an asking price and the miles on the shocks and spring setup, that would help my decision a lot. I would still have some interest in buying a TurboS setup with some good left in the shocks, then upgrading them to double adjustable in another 20k miles.
Thanks, Ian
It seems the TurboS suspension is only a worthwhile change if the shocks don't need to be rebuilt(questionable at this age) or they are very reasonably priced and I wanted to rebuild them to be double adjustable?
If Mike and West would like to email or PM me an asking price and the miles on the shocks and spring setup, that would help my decision a lot. I would still have some interest in buying a TurboS setup with some good left in the shocks, then upgrading them to double adjustable in another 20k miles.
Thanks, Ian
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Originally Posted by IanS
It seems the TurboS suspension is only a worthwhile change if the shocks don't need to be rebuilt(questionable at this age) or they are very reasonably priced and I wanted to rebuild them to be double adjustable?
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I'm not planning on tracking the car immediately, maybe ever, so sticking with the inserts is probably a better option overall.
Is upgrading the springs worthwhile for a pure street car, or would I be better off saving the money for a pair of 968 MO30 sway bars? The car feels fairly soft now, but I think my shocks are pretty far gone, so its hard for me to judge how it'll feel with new shocks.
I'm only getting a finger of wheelwell gap on the driver's front side and a finger and a half on the passenger's side, which I'm hoping is due to tired shocks, but I was a bit concerned that the springs started to sag, in which case I'd need new springs anyway.
-Ian
Is upgrading the springs worthwhile for a pure street car, or would I be better off saving the money for a pair of 968 MO30 sway bars? The car feels fairly soft now, but I think my shocks are pretty far gone, so its hard for me to judge how it'll feel with new shocks.
I'm only getting a finger of wheelwell gap on the driver's front side and a finger and a half on the passenger's side, which I'm hoping is due to tired shocks, but I was a bit concerned that the springs started to sag, in which case I'd need new springs anyway.
-Ian
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FWIW, it seems that upgraded sway bars are a good solution fora street-only performance upgrade. To a degree you get the best of both worlds, the equivalent of stiffer springs when turning since the bigger bars use the car's own weight to resist body roll....but without the obvious penalty of rougher riding stiffer springs when not turning.
As is posted often here, upgraded bars and new shocks really help a car when it is driven under the limit. The extreme measures of modern ultra-stiff competition suspensions and the need to balance the front and rear in terms of stiffness and roll resistance only come into play as being important as the car nears the tires' tractive limits.
As is posted often here, upgraded bars and new shocks really help a car when it is driven under the limit. The extreme measures of modern ultra-stiff competition suspensions and the need to balance the front and rear in terms of stiffness and roll resistance only come into play as being important as the car nears the tires' tractive limits.
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Originally Posted by IanS
Is upgrading the springs worthwhile for a pure street car, or would I be better off saving the money for a pair of 968 MO30 sway bars?
The car feels fairly soft now, but I think my shocks are pretty far gone, so its hard for me to judge how it'll feel with new shocks.
I'm only getting a finger of wheelwell gap on the driver's front side and a finger and a half on the passenger's side, which I'm hoping is due to tired shocks, but I was a bit concerned that the springs started to sag, in which case I'd need new springs anyway.
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