Tom M'Guinn

Without a limited slip differential, it is hard to get sub 5 second 0-60 runs, even (or especially) with 350rwhp.

porshhhh951

That seems really low. I was hitting your 0-60 number's with LBE and wastegate shim's.


Who know's what it is now. Maybe I should borrow my friends g-tech again.

streckfu's

I baby the launches. I'm sure it could be quicker but I don't care to break anything.

hosrom_951

Hmm.....i didn't exactly measure my time from 0-60. But im SURE its under 5.5 (just free flow exhaust, no cat, no muffler) i know this coz I took out an M Powered z3 coupe' the other day (claimed 0-60 in 5.4 or so)......The owner of the garage i go to has a 951 cabrio with 310whp, he did 0-60 in 4.7 or 4.8 or so.

gmonsen

You know what I like about the 944 Turbo discusssion group? Its more like the Rx7 forum... You guys seem more into modding your cars than the 964 turbo guys. For whatever reason, the 911 guys don't seem to be into aftermarket computer management systems (EMS), sprayers, and the like. I originally just modded my rx7 and left the 911 alone. The problem was that I drove the turbo during the week as a driver and the rx7 on the weekends for fun. But, I "overmodded" the rx7 and it got to the point where I am always just a bit nervous driving the 7. (I am now building a 3 rotor that will put out 550 at the wheels comfortably. The 2 rotor at 475 or so is right at the edge.) Anyway, I started modding the 911 a bit, but have trouble getting ideas on what others have done that is like what I did on the Mazda. I did add a Garrett T36RS motorsports turbo with dual compressor wheels and a bigger snail, advanced the cam timing a bit, put in a 1 bar spring, added an injector, and increased the fuel, but that's it. You guys seem to be using the full range of mods available. I don't know why there seems to be less knowledge of modding on the 911 lists. I think a 944 turbo would be a better choice for a daily driver for me and I can let the 911 sit (rest?) a little more. As long as I can do 0-100 in about 12 seconds, it will have enough power for that.

Gordon

porshhhh951

Gordon,

I have noticed the same thing as you on the 911 board. My brother in law had one so I brouse through there section from time to time. I think we mod our car's more because for one 951 owner's typically tend to be younger which means we care about speed more. Second mods for our car's are alot cheeper than they are for any 911 turbo I don't care what year it is 930,964,993,996. Our car's can reach serious performance level's without a huge investment. Lot's of guy's seeing 280+rwhp with chip's,test pipe, and more boost. That investment can be had for 6-700 bucks!. Add a map or maf kit and pick up another 20-30hp. Not to mention our car's make gobs of torque. With a few grand in our car's you could reach the performance of a 911 turbo and even surpass it.

Only one problem. A 911 turbo is the flagship of the porsche race. When you say you drive a 911 turbo people stand up and take notice. My car has been confused with rx7's, a dodge stealth, "that new mitsu sport's car". Now that's not to say that happen's all the time but, it does happen. Most people just go nice porshhhh. I smile wave and give a little blow off.

NZ951

There is nothing more satisfying than whooping a later model 911 and watching the look on his face at the next set of lights as he looks directly ahead, like a frozen piece of road kill, thinking but I spend 50K on my car and its at least 7 years newer. The girlfriend in his passenger seat smiling and checking out your car... sigh. I get my baby back tomorrow! I cant wait!

EDIT: By the way Gordon, nice to see you here... there are pretty decent 944T's come up for sale a bit on here, keep your eyes open. Then get your cheque book and start a thread on how to get to 12's. Just put a note saying you dont want comments saying not to do it, just how to.

nine51

yeah, i baby the lounches too. as stated with the poor 60 ft time. if i drove it like i didn't care, just the mph i got tell me the car will run 11's. i now have a Lindsey IC and turboback, with 110 octane @22 psi i saw 402hp and 416 lb tq. the 350 is just how the car is set up "normally" 15/16 psi.

NZ951

You got an LSD nine51?

nine51

i got a broken one
soon to be fixed.... hopefully

gmonsen

porshhhh951: You may be right on the age thing, but I'm old and have driven like a maniac since I could sit on my dad's lap and steer... I think speed is either in your blood or not. When I was young I was friends with Hurley Haywood when he and I got the bug. I think Hurley's first really fast car was a 65 porcupine head 396 silver vette coupe. I had a 350 GT Mustang painted red with white stripes. Another friend of ours, Peter Mac, had a 66 GTO. I remember running up and down Lake Shore Drive in Chicago at some pretty high speeds and am surprised we all didn't get locked away. One night I remember Hurley driving one of those small mini-motorcycles on the top of the wall around his family's house. Hurley became one of the great racers of our time and I became a hippie.

However, I've owned a lot of fast cars and have always driven them hard both on the streets and at track days here and there. These include a Jag XK150, the 350 Mustang, 13 BMWs (including my favorite, the 1989 M3 4 banger, and several 3.0 CS coupes), bug eye sprites, an MGA, 2 Alfas, a Ferrari 512, the Rx7, a 914 2.0, and my current 94 Turbo. I've modified almost all of these cars to make them faster. (The Ferrari, BTW, was the worst to modify. You went to the Ferrari dealer and asked him what you could do to make it faster or handle better and they would look at me like I was nuts. "Modify it? Why? Its a Ferrari." Why? Because I wanted more power, I finally found someone who offered chips for the computer. It needed two, one for each bank at $750 each. Then, a full Tubi header and exhaust at about $12,000. Got to 510 at the wheels. Sweetest sounding motor I've ever had, though the BMW M3 4 cylinder was close. I never did modify the suspension. Nobody made anything for it. Blah, blah, blah... (Currently building a turbocharged 3 rotor for the Rx7. A dependable 650 hp motor.)

NX951: Aside from the fact that I wish I were in my 30's and could move to your country, I've started looking and seeing where the pricing is for 951's. My idea would be to use it more for a daily driver than the 3.6 turbo. There's a wide range for decent later cars. I've seen prices from $30,000 down to $10,000 and still am not sure where I can get one. There are several that are already modded fairly extremely and that's not what I need. If you didn't build it, its hard to really know how to maintain it, much less take it further. I think I want a clean, straight car that's not a trailer queen and where the owner doesn't think he owns the best car in the world. I would't mind one where the paint, interior and cosmetics are poor, but the mechanicals are straight and sound, and where the price reflects the poor appearance. "Almost perfect paint" and "Only half-worn seats with cracks" need to be eventually replaced and it will cost $5-10,000 for new paint and you recover or buy aftermarket seats for $3,000 and you have more than the asking price for most cars right there. (Uh, oh... I'm rambling.)

Anyway, I look forward to getting one of these things. Sorry for the waste of bandwidth.

Gordon

porshhhh951

no need to be sorry. I bought my 951 for 7200.00 bucks. It came with serious records of racing history and complete rebuilds along with upgrades(20+k in receipts from 97-01 alone) The paint was okay not the best in the words with rock chips ect. The drives seat was torn and the dash had some cracks in it. It ran like a scolded ape. At the time I had just gotten back from dropping off my dad's new toy a 928s4 with 320hp his car felt very quick on the freeways. My car stock felt faster than his even though I am only suppoed to have 217hp. When I got home we raced serveral time's each time with me pulling him by a couple of car's. So it go's to show you can get a nice mechanically running car for not alot of money. Although I think in my case the reason why my car was so fast stock is because it wasent stock.lol. I guess the Upchurch Brothers cut a few corner's on the hp department to give them a edge. figures.

NZ951

I think most every 951 driver thinks they own the best car in the world... can I get a hell yeah? You are right about modding it yourself, not someone elses work, at least to a degree, once you become familiar with the products out there, you will be fine... and the rennlist guys can offer opinions.

Tom M'Guinn

Gordon,

People who own 512's and were buddies with Hurley Haywood cannot be called hippies. You folks are just called eccentric.

Who made chips for the 512? A friend of mine has an 84, and he might be interested in chips so that he won't fall so far behind my 951. As for your original question, I had a twin turbo rx7 and an 85 911, and sold them both in favor of the 951. The rx7 handling was outstanding, but the motor was a time-bomb. The 951 outperforms the 911 in all ways but resale value. Mine made 345hp to the wheels last weekend on a dynojet, for about $4k in modifications. If I blow it up, I can part it out to recoupe a good chunk of what I have into it.

gmonsen

Good stuff.

I WAS a hippie... Now, Republican eccentric sounds good.

Tom the chip guys are down in Florida somewhere. I'll dig up the name in the next day or so.

Gordon