schip43

Hmm well ... if the chip was set for larger injector's then you have, dumping to much fuel! But ... " No Tach Bounce," seems to mean "No Start." But Rogue's setup, there are lot's of folks on here with his system and I'm sure they will pitch in. But are you familiar with this.:
http://www.roguetuning.com/rogue_tun...9_setup__files

That might be how you set/change the injector size??? But now for whatever reason, you have "No Tach Bounce??" You can try jumping or changing the DME to see if you get tach bounce?? But I doubt it ... least ways that did not work for me.

So maybe "now" your Speed and Referance sensors decided to take a dump?? Sigh ... PIA that it may be, it could be helpful to put it back the way it was ... again and see if it will start???

Ops forget the info above it say's pretty clearly this is not for his setup's my bad.

duckstrat

I asked to Joshua san.
He said "Rouge's chipboard and rom designed for the stock injectors".
But seller said it's for the #80 injectors. Which is the right? I don't know...

anyway
sorry I didn't catch your comment.
What does it mean???

I'm not sure Tach Bounce.

gpr8er

chip should be configured for #80 injectors.

The car should run with the chip you have but may have issues, but it should start and run. You really need to verify spark.

Where are you located?

duckstrat

>>gpr8er san

Whether my EEPROM is configured for #80 injectors I'm not sure.
Is there any way to doublecheck that?

Yes.
Tomorrow we'll check spark condition.

I base in Japan.

gpr8er

the original Rouge MAF setup was configured/setup for #80 DEKA injectors. IDK of a way to verify what is on the chip you are using. I have a chip from that era that was "off" on the tune that you could try to verify that your chip is the problem. You are using the chip without the chipboard correct?

schip43

Tach bounce ... when you get to key on the tach should bounce upwards a little bit. It's nothing something you would normally notice, until you have a problem.

And yep you have to have spark but I think these cars will defie that dictum?? But hey .. I need to check it ... again, myself!!!

duckstrat

>>gpr8er san

I use EEPROM with the above picture chipboard.

I want to check or re-write my EEPROM.
I have a EEPROM writer.

How should I do?

schip43

Oh you have an eprom writer??? That's a bit different, see the link I posted! Add with Tuner Pro you might be able to determine injector size also or you could check them like this.:
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...injectors.html
Post number 2.

schip43

Oh pull the fuel pump fuse ... Thanks for the tip.

duckstrat

Ok,I'll do.

Do you know the size of the RougeTuning?

I want to rewrite by using
http://roguetuning.com/DME_Maps/M_Tune_2_5_Race.bin

duckstrat

But I don't know whether the BIN file is for the stock injector or #80.



anyway, There is only a few information about MAF kit.

markl951

http://roguetuning.com/DME_Maps/M-Tune_Maps.xdf

Use TunerPro and this .xdf file together with whatever .bin file you have and you should be able to determine the fuel injector scaling.

I don't know if you can program that version of the M-Tune EPROM board or not. I guess you'd have to try. Seemed like early on Josh's M-Tune tuner tools were specific to what he sold. Later the tuning tools were opened up for everyone? I could be wrong about that. I never needed to do any tuning so didn't get that far into it. Would be nice if someone could clarify that.

FWIW, I too was an early adopter of M-Tune and have that same version/style of the chip board you have. For me, I had a random problem where the engine kept shutting off. Josh worked with me on it for a while. I went back to stock configuration with no issues for several months. Josh finally sent me a new chip board similar in style to what you get from LR these days (bigger memory space and dip switches) but programmed for my composite intake tube / MAF sensor. Running fine since.

duckstrat

>>markl951 Thanks.

Today I tried to start engine after fuel evaporating fuel( fuse #34 remove with cranking)
so My engine started at the moment. (of course I removed #34. a few minute later fuel delivery is empty →engine stop.)

of course spark was no problem.

and then. I pul back the #34 fuse. I was tried to being cranking. But my 951 couldn't start.

I think, the Rom data definitely wrong.

so,
I've read the Rom data by using the Rom writer.
and then I compared the Rouge Tuning's BIN data(M_Tune_2_5_Race_early_xfer.bin) and my Rom data. (I have two ROMs from the seller)

the result are below.(Only limit search to defined items only by using TunerPro RT)

The one is different 1160 Bytes.
The other one is different 1156bytes

each other is different 148 bytes.

today my battery died. so I cannot try more.
tomorrow I'll try to exchange the Rom data to the M_Tune_2_5_Race_early_xfer.bin.

I wanna know the wrong figure on my Rom data.

so my BIN files stored the below.


https://2.gigafile.nu/0929-5856d303a...785d3fc35ce3c2

Best
Masa




If you have any info, please let me know!

gruhsy

I am pretty sure your chips you have are tuned for the 80lb injectors from what you have posted as those are the injectors the seller was probably using. There was a choice of 80 or 160lb typically with the M-tunes. I don't recall ever reading anyone on here using stock injectors with an M-tune setup.

A-tune maybe yes but doubtful M-tune. Not saying it does not exist but seems unlikely.

duckstrat

>gruhsy
thanks.

I wonder why the removing #34 fuse with cranking was Success, but #34 insert with cranking was Fail.
But my battery very very week now. so maybe it causes lack of the power for spark and cranking.

I bought new battery and battery charger.
they'll arrive in weekend,

I'll try again.