Lindsey Racing M035 sway bars
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Lindsey Racing M035 sway bars
I spotted these on their website. 35mm front bar, 22 rear. Has anyone tried them? It seems like a lot of roll stiffness, but I really feel like our cars are prone to a lot of body roll. Would this be a track-only application or could they be use on a street/track setup?
https://www.lindseyracing.com/LR/Parts/944SWAYMO35.html
https://www.lindseyracing.com/LR/Parts/944SWAYMO35.html
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I would have said...., uhm, no, until I saw the product.
On track, the 30mm front bar will lift the inner wheel and tire off the ground, so, not sure what else a stiffer bar can do than that.
Reason I would have been skeptical before seeing it has to do with the factory mounting of the 30mm bar, capture nuts in frame rail that already need the strengthening strap for track use (or full utilization on fast street) but the Lindsey product looks to have a proprietary billet bracket that looks pretty darned robust compared to what we're using now.
If the mounting hardware was available separately, I'd be interested in that myself, even with just the 30mm F.
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On track, the 30mm front bar will lift the inner wheel and tire off the ground, so, not sure what else a stiffer bar can do than that.
Reason I would have been skeptical before seeing it has to do with the factory mounting of the 30mm bar, capture nuts in frame rail that already need the strengthening strap for track use (or full utilization on fast street) but the Lindsey product looks to have a proprietary billet bracket that looks pretty darned robust compared to what we're using now.
If the mounting hardware was available separately, I'd be interested in that myself, even with just the 30mm F.
T
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#6
Three Wheelin'
If staying with stock-ish springs, the base 968 front sway bar (26.8MM) with the adjustable 19MM 968 M030 rear sway bar is the way to go. The 30MM 968 M030 front bar causes too much understeer.
The really big sway bars are meant for cars with stiffer springs. For a track car, sway bars should be easily adjustable and used as a tuning aid for handling balance, not as a band-aid to quell body roll. I learned this the hard way after bending/breaking many front Tarett sway bar mount brackets and eventually tearing the mounts out of the frame rails! Both sides have been reinforced, and since changing to a proper coilover suspension years ago have not had a single sway bar-related issue.
The really big sway bars are meant for cars with stiffer springs. For a track car, sway bars should be easily adjustable and used as a tuning aid for handling balance, not as a band-aid to quell body roll. I learned this the hard way after bending/breaking many front Tarett sway bar mount brackets and eventually tearing the mounts out of the frame rails! Both sides have been reinforced, and since changing to a proper coilover suspension years ago have not had a single sway bar-related issue.
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I would agree that the sway bar mounting bracket is possibly of greater interest than the larger sway bar. I imagine on a car with massively wide tires and slicks, that diameter could be useful, but it seems extreme otherwise. I have a line on a 28mm "cup" front bar that I could combine with an adjustable rear 19mm bar that would probably work well on my car.
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If staying with stock-ish springs, the base 968 front sway bar (26.8MM) with the adjustable 19MM 968 M030 rear sway bar is the way to go. The 30MM 968 M030 front bar causes too much understeer.
The really big sway bars are meant for cars with stiffer springs. For a track car, sway bars should be easily adjustable and used as a tuning aid for handling balance, not as a band-aid to quell body roll. I learned this the hard way after bending/breaking many front Tarett sway bar mount brackets and eventually tearing the mounts out of the frame rails! Both sides have been reinforced, and since changing to a proper coilover suspension years ago have not had a single sway bar-related issue.
The really big sway bars are meant for cars with stiffer springs. For a track car, sway bars should be easily adjustable and used as a tuning aid for handling balance, not as a band-aid to quell body roll. I learned this the hard way after bending/breaking many front Tarett sway bar mount brackets and eventually tearing the mounts out of the frame rails! Both sides have been reinforced, and since changing to a proper coilover suspension years ago have not had a single sway bar-related issue.
We run the 30mm non-adjustable front and 3 hole adjustable 19mm rear.
Never even touch the rear, different conditions, different tracks, doesn't even matter.
Might tweak shock pressures depending on bumps but even that is rare.
While others are laying on their backs setting bars, we are at lunch counter waiting on a pulled pork sandwich looking at the gap to second deciding whether to even mount the new tires or just race on 15 heat cycles.....
T
#9
Three Wheelin'
All you need is ability to tune one end if you have the car really sorted.
We run the 30mm non-adjustable front and 3 hole adjustable 19mm rear.
Never even touch the rear, different conditions, different tracks, doesn't even matter.
Might tweak shock pressures depending on bumps but even that is rare.
While others are laying on their backs setting bars, we are at lunch counter waiting on a pulled pork sandwich looking at the gap to second deciding whether to even mount the new tires or just race on 15 heat cycles.....
T
We run the 30mm non-adjustable front and 3 hole adjustable 19mm rear.
Never even touch the rear, different conditions, different tracks, doesn't even matter.
Might tweak shock pressures depending on bumps but even that is rare.
While others are laying on their backs setting bars, we are at lunch counter waiting on a pulled pork sandwich looking at the gap to second deciding whether to even mount the new tires or just race on 15 heat cycles.....
T
#10
Race Car
But yes, moving up one class to SP3.
But we already threw a stock 968 with a cage together in two nights as a test with Koni street shocks and nearly beat (passed on track) the 3 time national SP3/Supercup champ last year in a one off SP3 race.
Should we be thinking already about moving up again before my own car/engine is ready to test....?
This aint the PAC 10 or the Big Sky down here....., you ever hear of the SEC....?
Don't make us come over there to the West Coast.....
T
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I would agree that the sway bar mounting bracket is possibly of greater interest than the larger sway bar. I imagine on a car with massively wide tires and slicks, that diameter could be useful, but it seems extreme otherwise. I have a line on a 28mm "cup" front bar that I could combine with an adjustable rear 19mm bar that would probably work well on my car.
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If staying with stock-ish springs, the base 968 front sway bar (26.8MM) with the adjustable 19MM 968 M030 rear sway bar is the way to go. The 30MM 968 M030 front bar causes too much understeer.
The really big sway bars are meant for cars with stiffer springs. For a track car, sway bars should be easily adjustable and used as a tuning aid for handling balance, not as a band-aid to quell body roll. I learned this the hard way after bending/breaking many front Tarett sway bar mount brackets and eventually tearing the mounts out of the frame rails! Both sides have been reinforced, and since changing to a proper coilover suspension years ago have not had a single sway bar-related issue.
The really big sway bars are meant for cars with stiffer springs. For a track car, sway bars should be easily adjustable and used as a tuning aid for handling balance, not as a band-aid to quell body roll. I learned this the hard way after bending/breaking many front Tarett sway bar mount brackets and eventually tearing the mounts out of the frame rails! Both sides have been reinforced, and since changing to a proper coilover suspension years ago have not had a single sway bar-related issue.
We haven't had a lot of feedback on our 35/22 bars, but there was a customer who called stating they took 2 seconds off his 944S2's home track lap times and I don't think he was running stock bars initially.
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Thanks Mike (or Dave), so dimensionally these position the sway bar in the same space as the original type mounts...?
Reason being, for any reason one cracks/breaks/is damaged at an away race, will I be able to substitute in a factory mount on one side to finish a weekend or will I need two sets to keep spares...?
Just in time for Christmas guys, start dropping hints, this looks like an improvement racers have been long wishing for.
T
Reason being, for any reason one cracks/breaks/is damaged at an away race, will I be able to substitute in a factory mount on one side to finish a weekend or will I need two sets to keep spares...?
Just in time for Christmas guys, start dropping hints, this looks like an improvement racers have been long wishing for.
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