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Luckily if the older body style is your thing, they're a whole lot cheaper to buy than the newer ones. Most can be had for more than half of their asking prices, making them even cheaper. I think the market has already decided on this pole..
Luckily if the older body style is your thing, they're a whole lot cheaper to buy than the newer ones. Most can be had for more than half of their asking prices, making them even cheaper. I think the market has already decided on this pole..
Not really.
Far more cars were built between 78-86 compared to 87-95. If they produced as many GTS's as 85/86 cars you would not be seeing them sell for the high prices we are seeing.
Values of various years is a far more complicated discussion than which body style "looks" better.
The S4+ cars also never suffered from the "oldest child" syndrome. This is when a newer version comes out and values of early generations tank. When this happens neglect sets in and this is the primary reason why there are so many basket case US 16V's lying around.
Opinions of the various years are also rapidly changing. Just like the days when the only 911 you wanted was a wide-body with a whale tail, today the cars which are sought after are all original, narrow unmolested cars. The same thing is happening with 78-82 928's which have not been butchered with spoilers.
Prices reflect demand, it's kinda the way it works. Production numbers impact, yes a bit. But look at the Toyota Camry, it's the best selling model that in its segment and also holds the best used values.
So unless theirs some new kinda of economic models that no one knows about, the market has already decided on this poll. I've owned countless 928's over the past 25 years. It is as it has always been, most prefer 87+
I never could warm up to the restyled back of the NB cars. My favorite look is the 83-86 928S, followed by the original car with no spoilers. The bigger lights in front plus those smaller rear lenses look so classic. I didn't like the 964 or 968 restyles either, although the 964 looks great when lowered and in RS clone mode.
Prices reflect demand, it's kinda the way it works. Production numbers impact, yes a bit. But look at the Toyota Camry, it's the best selling model that in its segment and also holds the best used values.
So unless theirs some new kinda of economic models that no one knows about, the market has already decided on this poll. I've owned countless 928's over the past 25 years. It is as it has always been, most prefer 87+
Sorry, but you are grossly underestimating the impact of production numbers. If Ferrari had produced as many 250 GTO's as Chevy's the same year, they wouldn't be worth tens of millions. Sure they would still be worth more just for being a Ferrari...but I digress.
If you were correct, than no pre 87 car would ever sell for more than a typical 87+ car and sales figures over the past few years say otherwise. Desirability of 78-79 cars has skyrocketed recently. Not that that long ago, 78/79's were the most worthless cars of the bunch, and now collectors are ranking them just below GT's (and above S4's).
Sorry, you may have owned "countless" number of 928's (exactly how many is that? I can count to 100 even after a few cocktails) but you are not "up to speed" on current market conditions.
How do you explain BC's own 86.5 sold for $52,000. That's more than even some GT's sold recently.
Stan sold an 85 for over $43k
A pair of 82's sold for $29k and $33k
I currently have three local collectors looking for 928's and they are only interested in pre 87 cars.
For the longest time, the key desirable trait of 87+ cars was the power, brakes, handling, added luxury etc.... the looks too modernized things but that's far from the only change. They are newer and "better" car, so no kidding more people wanted them. Times have changed, and yes the US 80-84 cars are still, on average, the most worthless of the bunch, it's not because of how they look. They are simply the slowest and highest in numbers (both well kept & disheveled).
Meanwhile the earliest cars, Euro's, special editions like the Weissach, 86.5's etc.... are going up in value and surpassing their "better looking" siblings.
Which "view" would that be, and who doesn't believe their own view? That's pretty much what having a view is.
I disagree that the sole reason why any 87 car sells for more than any 78-86 is looks.
I also disagree (based on market facts) that all 87+ cars are worth more and more desirable than all 78-86 cars.
I own both, so not sure which side of the "fence" you think I'm on. These threads are usually fun lively discussions, you proclaim there is no debate, the facts are in.... sorry, that is BS.
For all those with little formal economics training, this is a pretty good explanation of the basic model of supply and demand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand Apparently, price is a function of both supply (production numbers) AND demand (desirability).
I didn't vote in the pole, because I really can't decide about the basic question, I kind of like the front of the earlier models better and the back of the later models better. And no, the newer spoiler doesn't really bother me, although it does have a slightly dated 80's look.
I kind of like the front of the earlier models better and the back of the later models better. And no, the newer spoiler doesn't really bother me, although it does have a slightly dated 80's look.
... and I thought I was the only one here with a "split-personality" disorder. I feel better now and yes, that would be my "perfect 928 body style. However, YMMV.
All of these styles have merit, but the original möbius execution is the most inspired. These cars are void of spoilers, wings, cladding, moldings, and the most offensive addition ever, the side protection spears. It wasn't just PORSCHE piling the parts on to these things; This was the styling phase that can best be described as virgin, before the molestation offered by the USDOT and its European counterparts that gave us sealed beams, passenger mirrors, rear bumpers, various lights down the sides, and rear fog lights. Only the first few hundred cars got out in this pure state. These are art. The rest of the cars have "additions" that visually compromise the orginal execution.
Some disturbing trivia: if you add all of the addional styling available through 1986 to one of these first few hundred cars, you have to cut or drill over 40 holes in the body.
While I really do like them all, the newer cars look too modern and lack the vintage feel that the OBs have.
And let's be honest, those '70s cars are just plain cool!
04-29-2017 | 01:35 PM
