Beth

I absolutely agree with everyone else here. For example for my '87:
belly pan - $350
spolier - $400
spark plug wires - $350
one rear tail light - $170
fairly decent tires - $850
manuals to work on car - $350 (if you're lucky)
spare key - $90

I could just keep going here, but I think you get the idea. . . . . so, there's an easy $2,500 + and that's all minor or cosmetic stuff. Like Glen said, if you have a pile of money it could be fun - if not, it'll probably just be frustrating.

Jim bailey - 928 International

who ever buys that "car" should simply take the $ 605 put it in a pile and burn the money . Leave the car in the field and walk away $605 out of pocket . Anything else and it only means you will be even poorer . ....Buy wheels so it rolls , rent a trailer to haul it , buy a gas tank , try to get it running , find out the trans is toast , radiator is leaking , etc ................ It might( big MIGHT )be a track car shell depending on how much bondo and glass was hung on the car and if the chassis is straight .

LethargyTM

So what do you guys suggest??? Not to buy 928s at all?? I do not wish to spend that much amount of money on the car, especially when I am still in highschool. I could probably spend around $1-5ks I could probably pull some more but not a whole lot more. So do you guys suggest the http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...6&category=6432 so I can spend less and still have a great car and re-do things I do not like on the car (i.e it said there were a bit of rust on the side or soemthing)
What's the difference between a US one and a EURO one??

What is the FINAL advice on this case? I really want to 928 so.... Help?

Sorry for my n00bieness on this guys. Atleast I'm trying to learn right? I probably sound like a dork :/ Everybody has to start somewhere, don't they???

-Leth

GlenL

Something like this one here.

new -> OR MAYBE NOT now that I've read the description!

Check the papers or regular car sites. You can plan to get a fun ride that moves for $2000 to $3000 and then fix that as you go.

BC

Leth - I think that you may want to look into Max's car. PM me for info if you wish.

tuk_928

Leth,
Check your PM box. I sent you the information on MaxW's 78 928 5spd.
Also, don't want to discourage you but given that this (a 928) would be your first car...let me suggest that you consider something other than the ultra complex 928 range. That is only my humble opinion...thinking that a 944 might be a better option for your entry fee and running budget.

Read the FAQ on the difference between Eurospec and US-spec and ROW models. If you cannot find this info...let me/us know.

No worries about the noobieness factor...we've all been there. Just take the time to do your research (read the archives)...glad to help out. Hang in there...also join the Rennlist ($18 for one year) and well worth it...

Best,
Tim

Mark

I'd stay away from this one, too...."ran good until cam belt broke"

ALSO - Leth - you indicate that you don't want to spend "that much" on a car...Even on a GOOD-to-excellent condition 928, you can count on $2-3000 yearly on maintenance and repairs....some spend more...some less...but I would bet that the overall average is around the $2000 mark. Take another look at Beth's parts list above..
You've got to remember - these are exotic supercars, and if they were made today would cost about $200,000. Your parts and repair expenses are NOT on a "$5000 used car" but on the exotic car. Given that many new parts for these cars are no longer made, the repairs will NOT get cheaper!

Nonetheless - you are to be commended for your GREAT TASTE IN AUTOMOBILES!

LethargyTM

tuk: the MAx guys car is very nice however price is out of my range and there is no fun without re-building something is there? I don't think anybody has answered my question about the Euro 928. Tuk I will check out the 944s. Thanks for the suggestions.

LethargyTM

Just checked out the 944. I dont like the back of the car. The back like the 928 is what i like. Something round and soft Can't I just replace the tail lights to make it look betteR? IF you guys saw anything done like this and have a picture to show, please tell me.

I guess I'm being picky but my first car I would like it something to be glamourous, even though it may not be too expensive. Any other models?? Doesnt have to be just porsche, anything would be fine, unless somebody found a 928 for me....

Thanks all you guys for the help in the short 2 hours. Fast replies

Oh for that Workshop manual thing, is it specifically for 928s or Porsche or all cars?? This is what I found so far:
78-79 928 Service Information Manual by Porsche
$39.95

80 928S Owners Manual and Maintenance Records by Porsche 99 pages
$49.95

81 928 Owners Manual by Porsche
$49.95

78-94 Service manual for 928 by Porsche: 9-volume set
$477.95

82 Owners manual for 928 by Porsche
$49.95

83 928S Warranty & Maintenance manual by Porsche 26 pages
$19.95

83 928S Servicing Information Manual by Porsche
$44.95

85 928S Servicing Information Manual by Porsche
$44.95

78-94 928 Portfolio of acticles about the super Porsche compiled into 75 page book form
$19.95

86 928 S Technical Information Manual by Porsche
$39.95

77-94 928, Portfolio of articles on Porsche 928, 140 pgs, compiled by Brooklands.
$19.95

86 928 Owners manual by Porsche
$34.95

87 928 S4 Technical Information Manual by Porsche
$44.95

88 928 Owners manual by Porsche
$34.95

77-94 Road & Track on Porsche 928: 136 pgs of articles about the top of the line Porsche
$19.95

-Leth

bcdavis

That car *looks* really bad, but I would not say it cannot be fixed.
A lot of what looks so bad, is all the dirt, leaves, etc...
Assume you clean up the engine, the interior, and exterior...
It looks like a lot of the interior parts need work or replacement.
So plan on the fact that you will probably need to track down
some used interior parts from *another* parts car. So you will
have to spend some money for seats, door panels, steering wheel, etc...
As far as the exterior, it's just body work...
If you can do it yourself, you can do most of the repairs pretty simply.
You will need new tail-lights, but you can find those for sale used.
The other cost is wheels and tires. On a widebody, those will not
be cheap. If the wheels are good, you will still need to spend
$500-600 on tires. If you need wheels, add another thousand or two.

But the biggest concern is the engine, transmission, etc.
If you are lucky, a few repairs, and you will be up and running.
If you are unlucky, and it needs a lot of mechanical work,
be prepared to spend some cash for the parts, and be
prepared to do all the work yourself, unless you plan
on paying even more, to have a quality shop do work for you...

But the car could be refurbished, if you really have the time and
energy to really go through it, and clean everything up...

But just be prepared for the basic costs of repairing the interior,
getting new seats, etc, and all the costs of the bodywork, paint,
wheels, tires, etc... And be prepared, in case the engine needs
work... You may not be so happy about fixing it up, if it turns
out to have bent valves, etc...

Ron_H

"The back like the 928 is what i like. Something round and soft"

Hey, I had an attitude somewhat like that in high school (and occasionally I find it creeping back into my head). I wouldn't listen to all of those "older and more experienced guys" who told me to lose that attitude Later I learned to look beyond mere external form. I hope I am making this clear, without being too explicit.

Run, don't walk, from that car. Unless you're a masochist, or are an accomplished gambler. Comparing 928s to 944s based on form alone is, well, maybe not the wisest approach. Ford GT40s are beautiful machines, but sit in one and ask yourself what happened to the leg room?!

Listen to this: I expect to spend in excess of $2500 for working air conditioning on my 928, after an electrical failure following a $1500 "fix" that rendered the car inoperative 3000 miles from my garage and tools.
Read that sentence again, please.

Spend your time in the library. Study for SATs. Learn another language.
Become proficient in shorthand (for taking notes in college). Take a competition driving school. Then in a few years you can buy a Formula 1 machine. Or a lear jet.

Sheez. Wish I'd listened to those guys.

bcdavis

And regarding the "euro", they usually have 300 horsepower.
More power than the US cars...
Plus they have a few other differences.
Lack of bumperettes, etc...

LethargyTM

I'm already prepared for the SATs, and do you know where I spent all my summer holidays and holidays of any other kind for the last 3 years?? LIBRARY!!! HURRAY!!! So please, if I step into another library I think I'm gonna faint.

Flott Leben

Leth,

If you are dead set on 928s, then I won't try to discourage you.

If you are open to other makes/models, I would suggest the early Z cars or the Supras. I know they are not glamorous but they are sports cars, they are quick, they are well engineered, they are simpler than a 928, the parts are not nearly as expensive and they are fun to drive. The inline 6's in both the Datsuns and the Supras were practically indestructable (body steel was another matter). The layout/body styles are 'similar' to 928s in that they are front-engined, long-hooded and rear wheel drive. Check some of them out on e-bay.

Mark

Leth -

The manuals you want are the 9-volume set. You can find them for around $300 if you keep looking.
They ARE available on CD - but with all the work that you are going to be doing - you REALLY need the hardcopies...not the cd...

PS - The 928's big butt and sleek front look are what first caught my eye...that was 1979...23.5 years later, I finally got one!