Triple Zero, the magazine; 928 Gruppe B Studie
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Triple Zero, the magazine; 928 Gruppe B Studie
First, some history: As many know, a few years back Pete Stout left Excellence Magazine and became Executive Editor (or whatever his title was) for PCA Panorama and took the club magazine to a whole new level. While still 911-centric, the outlook became much broader and the new format was terrific. And they even ran some articles about the 928 and the other step-children. And then Pete left, announced at PCA Parade last summer, no explanation other than rumors about some new project.
Then in October came the announcement for a new Porsche magazine called "000", triple-zero. Instead of superficial ten thousand foot fly-bys, they promised in-depth articles:
Here's the link: https://www.000magazine.com/the-magazine#page-1
OK, so where is this going, you ask: We got our first copy a few days ago, featuring Porsche's first prototypes (as promised) featuring gorgeous photos, line-drawings from the archives, all sorts of cool stuff.
Lovely car, wonderful history, magnificently assembled. A bit over 250 pages of cafefully assembled photos and descriptions. These guys have knocked it out of the park!
So what does yet-another-Porsche magazine have to do with the 928, you ask? Funny you ask, the 928 IS a Porsche... remember?
Then we got to page 255, "928 Gruppe B Studie". Huh?? There wasn't such a thing, was there ?
Here's the image, a "what if" rendering of what might have been:
"Peter Schutz, Porsche's CEO, saw an opportunity in Group B. His predecessor, Ernst Fuhrmann, placed a moratorium on 911 development and viewed the "trans-axle" 928 and 928 as the keys to Porsche's future. Schutz, however, believed that the essence of the brand ... " ... You know the rest.
"These renderings were commissioned by 000 and illustrate our vision of what such a Porsche might have looked like: an all-wheel-drive, Kevlar-bodied 928 powered by an engine not unlike the twin-turbo, 2855-cc V8 found in Ferrari's Group B car, the 288 GTO. One can dream, right?"
Indeed. But what we have is pretty darned cool, right?
Here's the rear view:
[Disclaimer: Triple-zero content is copyrighted, the excerpts here are offered under the fair-use provision as part of a review of the magazine. Pete, if we're overstepping here please let us know]
Then in October came the announcement for a new Porsche magazine called "000", triple-zero. Instead of superficial ten thousand foot fly-bys, they promised in-depth articles:
“This is the magazine I’ve always wanted to build,” says Editor Pete Stout, who teamed with fellow car fanatic/editor Alex Palevsky and designer Justin Page to create 000 Magazine, a quarterly journal focused on Porsche. Its unusual name—spoken as “Triple Zero”—is a reference to Porsche’s three-digit model type numerology. It’s also a promise to explore the marque from its origins forward, without skimping on pages or possibilities.
OK, so where is this going, you ask: We got our first copy a few days ago, featuring Porsche's first prototypes (as promised) featuring gorgeous photos, line-drawings from the archives, all sorts of cool stuff.
Lovely car, wonderful history, magnificently assembled. A bit over 250 pages of cafefully assembled photos and descriptions. These guys have knocked it out of the park!
So what does yet-another-Porsche magazine have to do with the 928, you ask? Funny you ask, the 928 IS a Porsche... remember?
Then we got to page 255, "928 Gruppe B Studie". Huh?? There wasn't such a thing, was there ?
Here's the image, a "what if" rendering of what might have been:
"Peter Schutz, Porsche's CEO, saw an opportunity in Group B. His predecessor, Ernst Fuhrmann, placed a moratorium on 911 development and viewed the "trans-axle" 928 and 928 as the keys to Porsche's future. Schutz, however, believed that the essence of the brand ... " ... You know the rest.
"These renderings were commissioned by 000 and illustrate our vision of what such a Porsche might have looked like: an all-wheel-drive, Kevlar-bodied 928 powered by an engine not unlike the twin-turbo, 2855-cc V8 found in Ferrari's Group B car, the 288 GTO. One can dream, right?"
Indeed. But what we have is pretty darned cool, right?
Here's the rear view:
[Disclaimer: Triple-zero content is copyrighted, the excerpts here are offered under the fair-use provision as part of a review of the magazine. Pete, if we're overstepping here please let us know]
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Very interesting and cool renderings.
However, 000 promising in-depth articles, decided to debut with a 928 story based on zero facts or any actual history of the 928? I would have rather seen a story on something obscure from actual 928 history.
It is fun to try and imagine fitting any V8 under that low hood with an AWD system.
Yes it's cool to see any 928 coverage, but frankly this is disappointing considering the source.
I can see it now, 1AM at Siebkens this July I'll saunter in with a 928 shirt and some Mr. Expert will tell me all about the failed Group B 928 project
However, 000 promising in-depth articles, decided to debut with a 928 story based on zero facts or any actual history of the 928? I would have rather seen a story on something obscure from actual 928 history.
It is fun to try and imagine fitting any V8 under that low hood with an AWD system.
Yes it's cool to see any 928 coverage, but frankly this is disappointing considering the source.
I can see it now, 1AM at Siebkens this July I'll saunter in with a 928 shirt and some Mr. Expert will tell me all about the failed Group B 928 project
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I'd maybe just ask that you delete the second image with the full text so as not to give that whole article away?
Very interesting and cool renderings.
However, 000 promising in-depth articles, decided to debut with a 928 story based on zero facts or any actual history of the 928? I would have rather seen a story on something obscure from actual 928 history.
It is fun to try and imagine fitting any V8 under that low hood with an AWD system.
However, 000 promising in-depth articles, decided to debut with a 928 story based on zero facts or any actual history of the 928? I would have rather seen a story on something obscure from actual 928 history.
It is fun to try and imagine fitting any V8 under that low hood with an AWD system.
Many thanks!!
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Wow, didn't know about "000". I assumed you were spending your idle time replacing the motor mounts et cetera on your own 928. I think it's cool that you gave a 928 subject the "last word" placement. And, certainly, let's be conservative on the fair-use doctrine - it's a tough world for creatives.
(If the proceeds of my subscription will be dedicated to your 928, I'm in.)
But either way, good luck!
(If the proceeds of my subscription will be dedicated to your 928, I'm in.)
But either way, good luck!
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Someone should do an in-depth story about that round-the-world French 928...the car, the tours, the folks involved. I know we've read a lot about that here, but more general Porsche people should know about it.
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Funny, I ran across the French car while researching rally 928s some time ago.
I'm game if the right assets can be put together, and have the editorial freedom and page counts to do it the right way in print. Anyone have a direct link to the participants? If so, please PM me.
I'm game if the right assets can be put together, and have the editorial freedom and page counts to do it the right way in print. Anyone have a direct link to the participants? If so, please PM me.
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Hi Pete, In your search for an early OB, remember running this one past you https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...a-79-ob-6.html
so....after you passed went ahead and purchased this beauty. Worked the "other side" for TAM Communications my last 10 years. Great luck with your new endeavor. T
so....after you passed went ahead and purchased this beauty. Worked the "other side" for TAM Communications my last 10 years. Great luck with your new endeavor. T
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Started to follow rallies early -80'es, so found this topic interesting.
The Group B started at -83(IIRC) and very soon most of the cars where 4WD. However, the story and sketch of 928 plans may still be true since all of the
front engine cars were ratified for group B if the following story is true.
https://rallygroupbshrine.org/the-gr...ction-version/
It is note to mention that almost all of Porsche’s car lineup was homologated for Group B, including the 924, 928, and 944. However, these cars mostly participated in lesser national tarmac rallies
and never matched the 911’s overall success. The SC/RS was planned to be replaced by the 959 supercar but delays in its development lengthened the SC/RS’ racing career.
Short story of 959 group B plans here.
https://rallygroupbshrine.org/the-gr...s/porsche-959/
Far from this topic, but does anyone have more information from following 928 engine equipped 962 project? Nice Lehmann style intakes,
the engine is sitting relative high compared to flat-6. Power target may have been close 1000hp as flat-6 was pulling 600 - 700hp.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...w-build-6.html
The Group B started at -83(IIRC) and very soon most of the cars where 4WD. However, the story and sketch of 928 plans may still be true since all of the
front engine cars were ratified for group B if the following story is true.
https://rallygroupbshrine.org/the-gr...ction-version/
It is note to mention that almost all of Porsche’s car lineup was homologated for Group B, including the 924, 928, and 944. However, these cars mostly participated in lesser national tarmac rallies
and never matched the 911’s overall success. The SC/RS was planned to be replaced by the 959 supercar but delays in its development lengthened the SC/RS’ racing career.
Short story of 959 group B plans here.
https://rallygroupbshrine.org/the-gr...s/porsche-959/
Far from this topic, but does anyone have more information from following 928 engine equipped 962 project? Nice Lehmann style intakes,
the engine is sitting relative high compared to flat-6. Power target may have been close 1000hp as flat-6 was pulling 600 - 700hp.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...w-build-6.html