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HIGHWAYMAN: Bringing the Devore 928 back from the dead

Old 11-22-2016, 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Catorce
I guess my question to you is, do you not think you can settle a suspension to the approximate ride height, say 70% of the actual height by just rocking the car up and down and rolling it around? Because it's what alignment shops do all the time.......
I don't think so.
Old 11-23-2016, 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Imo000
I don't think so.
Well we will have to agree to disagree then. Not sure what your point was to begin with, but yeah.
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After several attempts. ....

I am pretty much left speechless
Old 11-23-2016, 01:27 AM
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The quickest way to learn that lesson is to buy 2 sets and pay for alignments twice.
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Originally Posted by James Bailey
After several attempts. ....

I am pretty much left speechless
Jim,

It's his car, his time, his money. He obviously knows enough to buy what he thinks he needs and how to install them. We can wish him good fortune and wait for future updates.

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Old 11-23-2016, 01:36 AM
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Jim, are you referring to Imo000's stubborn insistence that ONLY driving can settle a suspension fully? You will note that I agreed, but i did state you can get it pretty close with other methods.

Also, Imo000 didn't realize that when the car was flat bedded home, it was strapped down by its town hooks with ratchet straps so tight it made it look like a low rider. If that doesn't settle the suspension to get an approximate ride height, I don't know what does.

Lastly, for the experts out there, read the frigging Porsche service manual on the topic. It says to perform an alignment, pull the front of the car down by 60-70mm and holding it for a minute and then bouncing the car front and rear to SET THE RIDE HEIGHT. It's in the manual for christ sakes.
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Originally Posted by 928sg
The quickest way to learn that lesson is to buy 2 sets and pay for alignments twice.
I am no where even close to aligning this car. Before that happens, I have to:

- Install new shocks and springs
- rebush the front end, I am replacing rubber with delrin bushings that I am making on my mill.
- rebuild brake calipers, change discs
- replace wheel bearings

Then, I will align it and set the ride height. I've only done this procedure TWICE this year on two other cars.

My alignment guy does all my corner balancing and also happens to be the Dyno guy!
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Going to use a milling machine to make cylindrical bushings?
Old 11-23-2016, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Imo000
Going to use a milling machine to make cylindrical bushings?

I blame your lack of knowledge on your post count. Too much time spent on the internet, not enough time spent actually doing something.

First of all, on a mill equipped with a rotary table and a boring head, you can make any cylinder with precision as if it was done on a lathe. I have both a lathe and a mill, but the mill is easier to use for milling blocks of delrin into bushings. Repeat after me: a mill with a boring head is as to a lathe with a chuck. With a lathe, we spin the workpeice. With a boring head, we spin the tool. And it's not a "milling machine" it's a MILL. My mill is bigger than your car, bro. It's not the harbor freight edition.

But you knew that, right? Now do me a favor and go read up on machining. Maybe then you can acknowledge what the Porsche Workshop Manual said about settling suspensions.
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Originally Posted by Catorce
Maybe then you can acknowledge what the Porsche Workshop Manual said about settling suspensions.
Oh, you put Special Tool 10-222A on there and winched the front end down 2 inches and held it for a minute before bouncing the front end?
Old 11-23-2016, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by hwyengr
Oh, you put Special Tool 10-222A on there and winched the front end down 2 inches and held it for a minute before bouncing the front end?
I have not set the ride height yet, nor is that setting necessary at this time. Why is everyone so concerned with the ride height at this point?
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Originally Posted by Catorce
Lastly, for the experts out there, read the frigging Porsche service manual on the topic. It says to perform an alignment, pull the front of the car down by 60-70mm and holding it for a minute and then bouncing the car front and rear to SET THE RIDE HEIGHT. It's in the manual for christ sakes.
You are correct, sir. It's surprising the number of folks who are unaware of this procedure - such as most alignment shops. The 928 suspension geometry is a unique beast out in the wild.
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Originally Posted by Catorce
Why is everyone so concerned with the ride height at this point?
So many people have had botched alignments from shops not properly settling the suspension (many thinking it can just be bounced up and down) that it's a sensitive subject.
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Originally Posted by Catorce
I blame your lack of knowledge on your post count. Too much time spent on the internet, not enough time spent actually doing something.

First of all, on a mill equipped with a rotary table and a boring head, you can make any cylinder with precision as if it was done on a lathe. I have both a lathe and a mill, but the mill is easier to use for milling blocks of delrin into bushings. Repeat after me: a mill with a boring head is as to a lathe with a chuck. With a lathe, we spin the workpeice. With a boring head, we spin the tool. And it's not a "milling machine" it's a MILL. My mill is bigger than your car, bro. It's not the harbor freight edition.

But you knew that, right? Now do me a favor and go read up on machining. Maybe then you can acknowledge what the Porsche Workshop Manual said about settling suspensions.

Yup. I'm on my way to my father's machine shop to brush up on milling. Also brushing up on my lack of knowledge on these and other cars as well as, going to try to turn a wrench for the first time. I think for starters, I'll try changing a tire.
Old 11-23-2016, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by hwyengr
So many people have had botched alignments from shops not properly settling the suspension (many thinking it can just be bounced up and down) that it's a sensitive subject.
Having owned four 928s, I am in complete agreement!!!

And you have a point here...this is a race car, and thus it will be much harder for me to get it aligned correctly vis a vis settling the suspension, because I can't do the usual - have my alignment guy make his settings, pull it off the rack, and drive it around the block a couple times to settle it.

There won't be any "driving around the block" on public streets

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