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Old 06-30-2016, 09:36 PM
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Put in a supercharger, Victors, all great. Had to do some real backyard rigging to Sharktune it as round plugs don't fit into rectangles. ...but nonetheless, success.

However! As I expected, the ignition is displaying retarded on Sharktune but all the sensors are reading good/green. It definitely feels down on power. She runs smooth.

I checked timing before I installed supsupercharger. I changed out both ignition coils, both coil wires, and rotors.

What is causing ignition to retard? Initial tuning was done without blow off valve vacuum hooked up - low rpm to get it mapped. It's hooked up correctly now.

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Did you plug the wires together that live near the computers?

There are 2 down there that should only be plugged together when you use poor quality fuel as it retards the timing a lot.

Someone will have a picture of them.
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I was feeling this down on power thing prior thus the changing out of several components. I rechecked sensors also. Was nice to get validation that the sharktuner was stating they were "good" but I'm curious if I can go by that.?

My assumption prior was faulty hall sensor as the connector cracked while doing tb/wp. But I reconnected/fixed that.

Hmm JD did mention a fuse or capacitor that may be blown on one of the boards. May have to check that but not sure where that is (guessing ezk)

I didn't disconnect or connect anything other than the LH and EZK harness.

Thank you for the info. I've never seen these fuel wires down there.
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We need John to comment here, but my experience is that all-sensors-green with a ignition-retarded indication is usually a Hall-sensor issue.

Did you change the Hall sensor or just replace the connector?

Blake, I think the "octane loop" jumper you refer to is for the 85-86 EZF without knock-retard. The 87+ EZK has knock sensors to retard timing, and a hall-sensor to tell it which cylinder(s) to retard. If any of the sensors are defective then it retards all of the cylinders, as a fail-safe.
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Just the connector. Replacing the sensor will be a sob. But it's looking like I need to do it.
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Originally Posted by jcorenman
We need John to comment here, but my experience is that all-sensors-green with a ignition-retarded indication is usually a Hall-sensor issue.

Did you change the Hall sensor or just replace the connector?

Blake, I think the "octane loop" jumper you refer to is for the 85-86 EZF without knock-retard. The 87+ EZK has knock sensors to retard timing, and a hall-sensor to tell it which cylinder(s) to retard. If any of the sensors are defective then it retards all of the cylinders, as a fail-safe.
Thanks Jim, I'm learning new things about the 32V cars as I now have to contend with an 89 soon.
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The ignition monitor screen coloured indicators on the right hand side show any possible Hall or knock faults.

Are you saying you have a full house of 6deg retard on all the individual cylinder retard indicators across the bottom of the screen on that page ?
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You got the wires in the wrong pins when you replaced the connector on the hall sensor most likely.
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Switched out the hall sensor. Haven't run it yet. Tomorrow I may hook the sharktuner up and check reading.

All I saw was big Old red circle saying ignition retarded. I didn't notice any specific reading about cylinders.



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