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I figured I would post this to the list before putting it on the classifieds. This was installed in my 1988 928 S5 5spd by the previous owner and I have since removed it.
It's and Autopower Street Sport Roll Bar (model 52040). It's been painted to match my car (Venetian Blue) and comes with backing plates and bolts for mounting (not pictured). It has a removable center section for easier access to rear seats and passengers. It also has four pads with custom 928 lettering stitched into the pads. Clearly someone went through the extra effort.
Michael - When I bought that same roll bar from someone on the list, they just removed the supports that attach to the rear shock mounts and then wrapped all the pieces together in a few layers of bubble wrap and sent it through FedEx.
You're asking a fair price, so even if shipping were $50, someone would still be getting a decent deal.
Street-Sport Roll Bar
52040
77-95 Porsche 928
Our Street-Sport bar is just what you need for your high performance street car.
Designed for high performance street use.
Bolt-in harness mount tube for easy installation of safety harnesses.
Bolt-In Removable horizontal harness.
4 point roll bar is made of 1.750 x .120 DOM mild steel tube.
All necessary installation and mounting hardware with back-up plates is included.
Street-Sport Roll Bar
The Street-Sport Roll Bar has a bold in harness mount tube for easy installation of harnesses and access to the back seat for street use.
Speedtoys, Thanks for the potentially useful information. Do you have document or regulations that you can reference that details the compliance requirements? It's it all forms of track racing or just certain classifications?
My understanding is this roll bar was used in individual time trials at Portland International raceway. I don't track race so I am unfamiliar with the requirements. You sound like you know what you are talking about, so could you please provide the appropriate reference for the would be buyer?
Also, what would be the useful purpose of this roll bar if it's not allowed on a track?
The big thing..is that it protects...nothing. There is no front halo to prevent crushing of the A pillar structure into the cabin...but if it did, even in this configuration...
NASA/SCCA (The big leagues)...
The down legs from the 'top' of this must extend straight down to the floor, not at a forward angle.
Missing an entire front halo structure you have no door bar protection. In this config a side impact to the seen diagonal door area bar, will only serve to pull down the single rear structure to the occupant. No door bars..duh, no front halo structure. The main hoop (from behind the drivers seat, up, over, and down the back of the passenger seat) must only be of 4 bends..which is good, but the total degrees of bend between all four must be within 10 degrees of 180degrees. The bend into the car to avoid bolting to the chassis side rails..adds too much.
The specification on roll bars require that they have a seat designed to work with..roll bars. Which would require a seat back brace (for which the seat is designed to use)...of either SFI for FIA certification.
Some seats..of SFI or FIA certification don't require back braces, but still..the stock seat is neither.
And the only allowed configuration of belts to use with a harness bar (and proper seat) instructs that they must pass THROUGH the seat, over the shoulders (not around the neck from the shoulders) and to the harness bar at no more than +/- 20 degrees from the height of the occupants shoulders. This harness bar is far too low, and in a front facing collusion will compress your spine as the length of the belt over and DOWN from your shoulders..will do that.
Some seats..of SFI or FIA certification don't require back braces, but still..the stock seat is neither.
Now..you wont likely entertain track level energy in a street car, but be aware, that track day requirements from organizations interested more in your safety than your dollar, would not allow this.
All of this changed for the better about 2003 in both organizations.
Too many people getting hurt from half-configured interiors..once a seat or a cage goes in, everything else must be reconfigured to work in concert with the other.
We would pull some dude out of a car with cut-rate hardware fairly often..so we all got tougher on it.
Track day rules on belts are not as stringent as a full race build..as long as they are not frayed, or washed out from long term sun exposure. However, they MUST be mounted to the seat, chassis, and cage, as the manufacturer instructs.
Again, the auto power street bars are good, for their purpose. They dont go too light on the metal, and the bends are nice. But if you go do a track day, you're actually safer without it in the car, than with it
This is not a legal (or safe) piece of hardware for a track day.
The majors would not allow it, those that do..question their insurance policy.
Are we talking racing or DE? If racing no argument.
DE use? This roll-bar doesn't look functionally any different than the one in my 79 and it's allowed by every DE group that comes to Road America. Or is it something with the specific design of this rollbar over other bolt in units (like the DEVEK one)?
I do agree 100% such a setup with a harness should never be used with the stock seats. Rollbar / harness / racing seat is a package that must always be used together.
FIA seats that don't require a back brace are quite common. It's the reason why I purchased the Recaro Pole Position because they are FIA approved without a back brace (well they were approved....but that's another fiasco).
Just trying to clarify the air, I think a lot of people are confused by the specifics being discussed here.
Are we talking racing or DE? If racing no argument.
Because it interferes with how DOT approved safety equipment works, and actually adds risk in a track environment, it is disallowed in DE with NASA, and an increasing number of other organizations.
Tracks are even starting to require this for rather low speed full drift events, because of injuries caused by non compliant 'safety' equipment.
Compliant meaning tested and backed SFI for FIA standards.
There is no confusion. A 'street' bar is not a compliant piece of safety equipment by anyone's standards. They're pretty, but that's about as useful as they are for environments that are primarily interested in participant safety.
Passenger cabins are either 100% fit for duty says the DOT, or 100% for duty with aftermarket gear with SFI or FIA certifications and configurations.
One's safety in a track environment should have no grey area. Many event organizers believe your entry fee is of higher value than your safety by allowing grey area to exist. OF course, they dont SAY that, but they will say that "that stuff is not necessary".
The insurance companies have a field day with things that have no lawyers of their own to back them up (SFI/FIA)....which was the end result of ...
I only harp on this, having to help cut a dead 20yr old from a car, because all of his half assed stuff failed and ultimately killed him in a highly survivable incident if 100% stock, or 100% SFI/FIA complete.
I know what you are saying and I agree, just confused in this situation.
Would this bar be allowed with a qualified racing seat and harness in a DE environment?
If not, there is a huge disconnect with regions since I know people with bolt in bars running DE's with NASA, PCA etc... but they also have a seat designed for a harness and an up to date 6-point properly installed.
Would this bar be allowed with a qualified racing seat and harness in a DE environment?
PCA DE requires no bars at all. I'm not aware of a DE organization that does. It's only been a few years since PCA required a full cage for club racing.
PCA DE requires no bars at all. I'm not aware of a DE organization that does.
I know.
The question is, if someone wanted to outfit their car with a roll-bar for DE, would this one be allowed with an accompanied race seat and harness.
People have been using bolt-in roll bars for years in DE's, I'm confused why this one would not be allowed or if the issues is using such a bar with a stock seat and DOT belt while it would be fine to use as long as you have a proper seat & harness.
09-09-2015, 05:26 PM
FS: Street Sport Roll Bar $250 OBO
