Porsche 998
08-31-2003, 12:52 AM
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Originally posted by DoubleNutz
The new V8 should be a completly new car with new name, perhaps... "SALT" or ""THYME"
The new V8 should be a completly new car with new name, perhaps... "SALT" or ""THYME"
That's pretty funny! BTW: Does anybody know, if the pepper wagon eveen has a three digit code (9??)? Maybe they HAD to invent a name, eause there were no more useful numbers? But then again, there are lots of numbers we have never heard of. What about a Porsche 975, for example? Oh, that doesn't sound "sexy", so I guess it won't happen...
08-31-2003, 01:31 AM
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The notion of using a model designator that starts with 9 and ends with 8 for Porsche's GT coupes appeals to me. It just kind of makes sense...
Frankly, when the first of the "retro" cars, the VW New Beetle [a horrid moniker, considering the fact that VW never actually called the original car "Beetle"] came out, I was fascinated...yet despite my natural appreciation for anything VW, I was not at all convinced. IN fact, I kind of shied away from those cars. The Mini, and the late Thunderbird have the same effect on me; For some reason they just seem to have a bit too much "veneer" aspect for my tastes.
Doubly strange, since design is everything for me.
But there is an element of class when a new, very modern design subtly brings to the fore...angles and insights from past works. I feel that a suitably modern-
[and hopefully NON-RETRO "928", since a "retro" version of our car would be hopelessly fake looking; probably a road-going gargoyle! There's only one car that should look like a 928!]
GT Coupe with perhaps a very few subtle hints of Porsche's first GT...and the 998 moniker would have a lot of class.
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The notion of using a model designator that starts with 9 and ends with 8 for Porsche's GT coupes appeals to me. It just kind of makes sense...
Frankly, when the first of the "retro" cars, the VW New Beetle [a horrid moniker, considering the fact that VW never actually called the original car "Beetle"] came out, I was fascinated...yet despite my natural appreciation for anything VW, I was not at all convinced. IN fact, I kind of shied away from those cars. The Mini, and the late Thunderbird have the same effect on me; For some reason they just seem to have a bit too much "veneer" aspect for my tastes.
Doubly strange, since design is everything for me.
But there is an element of class when a new, very modern design subtly brings to the fore...angles and insights from past works. I feel that a suitably modern-
[and hopefully NON-RETRO "928", since a "retro" version of our car would be hopelessly fake looking; probably a road-going gargoyle! There's only one car that should look like a 928!]
GT Coupe with perhaps a very few subtle hints of Porsche's first GT...and the 998 moniker would have a lot of class.
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08-31-2003, 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by Normy
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The notion of using a model designator that starts with 9 and ends with 8 for Porsche's GT coupes appeals to me. It just kind of makes sense...
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The notion of using a model designator that starts with 9 and ends with 8 for Porsche's GT coupes appeals to me. It just kind of makes sense...
08-31-2003, 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by Normy
Nicole...I think...I think...that the Cayenne is a 955. I read that somewhere...A magazine, 911 & Porsche I think.
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Nicole...I think...I think...that the Cayenne is a 955. I read that somewhere...A magazine, 911 & Porsche I think.
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Could it be?
09-01-2003, 01:17 AM
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Well, my engineering friend who works in Weissach told me that these numbers don't necessarily have to go linear. I have wondered, why the 986 came after the 993, etc. Maybe they did jump some numbers (for Markeing reasons?), and are now filling in? I don't know...
Thanks, Normy!
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09-01-2003, 08:03 AM
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Just to throw out a few of my random (and perhaps slightly controversial) thoughts...
Drawing room to production floor can now take place in under 2 years - GM, Ford and others have computers and software capable of not only designing a car completely in the computer, but they can actually TEST it there too. Perhaps Porsche deployed some of their resources wisely in this area - it IS the future (and it is here now). If you don't have the computing power, you'd best get in bed with someone who does, or resign yourself to being a very small and shrinking niche company.
What would 2 more cylinders do a 911's weight distribution? Guess it depends on which end of the engine they hang 'em on. VW's last Beetle recently rolled off the line somewhere in the Southern Hemisphere - Porsche still makes one in Germany though...
Critically, if a measly 4.5 liters of Cayenne achieve 450 hp (and some tuners are already claiming tuning to 500) would a 550+ hp force-fed V-8 be too much to ask from the folks at Stuttgart? I think not.
MBZ is able to generate 550-650+ hp FACTORY STREET PRODUCTION cars at will, en masse - with V-8 and V-12 configs - not some anachronistic go-kart racer flat 6. At a price point around 100K.
I hope Porsche sees the future and embraces it. A spectacularly fast and safe and modern car can be done now for less $ than the 928 commanded near its demise.
There isn't much happening at the current moment a Porsche owner can look to with pride and say "yeah, they built my car too". The current 911 Turbo ain't bad, but not that impressive - especially at 100K+U$D.
I hope that day returns soon. I care not what the car is called, just give it a real engine, 50/50 weight distribution, and the performance to let the owner once again truthfully say - "This car is a Porsche. There is no substitute."
Greg
Drawing room to production floor can now take place in under 2 years - GM, Ford and others have computers and software capable of not only designing a car completely in the computer, but they can actually TEST it there too. Perhaps Porsche deployed some of their resources wisely in this area - it IS the future (and it is here now). If you don't have the computing power, you'd best get in bed with someone who does, or resign yourself to being a very small and shrinking niche company.
What would 2 more cylinders do a 911's weight distribution? Guess it depends on which end of the engine they hang 'em on. VW's last Beetle recently rolled off the line somewhere in the Southern Hemisphere - Porsche still makes one in Germany though...
Critically, if a measly 4.5 liters of Cayenne achieve 450 hp (and some tuners are already claiming tuning to 500) would a 550+ hp force-fed V-8 be too much to ask from the folks at Stuttgart? I think not.
MBZ is able to generate 550-650+ hp FACTORY STREET PRODUCTION cars at will, en masse - with V-8 and V-12 configs - not some anachronistic go-kart racer flat 6. At a price point around 100K.
I hope Porsche sees the future and embraces it. A spectacularly fast and safe and modern car can be done now for less $ than the 928 commanded near its demise.
There isn't much happening at the current moment a Porsche owner can look to with pride and say "yeah, they built my car too". The current 911 Turbo ain't bad, but not that impressive - especially at 100K+U$D.
I hope that day returns soon. I care not what the car is called, just give it a real engine, 50/50 weight distribution, and the performance to let the owner once again truthfully say - "This car is a Porsche. There is no substitute."
Greg
09-01-2003, 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by gbyron
Just to throw out a few of my random (and perhaps slightly controversial) thoughts...
Drawing room to production floor can now take place in under 2 years - GM, Ford and others have computers and software capable of not only designing a car completely in the computer, but they can actually TEST it there too. Perhaps Porsche deployed some of their resources wisely in this area - it IS the future (and it is here now). If you don't have the computing power, you'd best get in bed with someone who does, or resign yourself to being a very small and shrinking niche company.
What would 2 more cylinders do a 911's weight distribution? Guess it depends on which end of the engine they hang 'em on. VW's last Beetle recently rolled off the line somewhere in the Southern Hemisphere - Porsche still makes one in Germany though...
Critically, if a measly 4.5 liters of Cayenne achieve 450 hp (and some tuners are already claiming tuning to 500) would a 550+ hp force-fed V-8 be too much to ask from the folks at Stuttgart? I think not.
MBZ is able to generate 550-650+ hp FACTORY STREET PRODUCTION cars at will, en masse - with V-8 and V-12 configs - not some anachronistic go-kart racer flat 6. At a price point around 100K.
I hope Porsche sees the future and embraces it. A spectacularly fast and safe and modern car can be done now for less $ than the 928 commanded near its demise.
There isn't much happening at the current moment a Porsche owner can look to with pride and say "yeah, they built my car too". The current 911 Turbo ain't bad, but not that impressive - especially at 100K+U$D.
I hope that day returns soon. I care not what the car is called, just give it a real engine, 50/50 weight distribution, and the performance to let the owner once again truthfully say - "This car is a Porsche. There is no substitute." Greg
Just to throw out a few of my random (and perhaps slightly controversial) thoughts...
Drawing room to production floor can now take place in under 2 years - GM, Ford and others have computers and software capable of not only designing a car completely in the computer, but they can actually TEST it there too. Perhaps Porsche deployed some of their resources wisely in this area - it IS the future (and it is here now). If you don't have the computing power, you'd best get in bed with someone who does, or resign yourself to being a very small and shrinking niche company.
What would 2 more cylinders do a 911's weight distribution? Guess it depends on which end of the engine they hang 'em on. VW's last Beetle recently rolled off the line somewhere in the Southern Hemisphere - Porsche still makes one in Germany though...
Critically, if a measly 4.5 liters of Cayenne achieve 450 hp (and some tuners are already claiming tuning to 500) would a 550+ hp force-fed V-8 be too much to ask from the folks at Stuttgart? I think not.
MBZ is able to generate 550-650+ hp FACTORY STREET PRODUCTION cars at will, en masse - with V-8 and V-12 configs - not some anachronistic go-kart racer flat 6. At a price point around 100K.
I hope Porsche sees the future and embraces it. A spectacularly fast and safe and modern car can be done now for less $ than the 928 commanded near its demise.
There isn't much happening at the current moment a Porsche owner can look to with pride and say "yeah, they built my car too". The current 911 Turbo ain't bad, but not that impressive - especially at 100K+U$D.
I hope that day returns soon. I care not what the car is called, just give it a real engine, 50/50 weight distribution, and the performance to let the owner once again truthfully say - "This car is a Porsche. There is no substitute." Greg
You know there are many that really want to have a Porsche 928 or front engine V8 rebirth- Perhaps this forum could be used and it members and other lists to petition Porsche to build a front engined V8 car (help the marketing research along). Maybe Porsche will listen.
I will post it and lets see how many responses we get and what people here would be willing to pay for such a car. Possibly John Dunkle can have this list published to Porsche... lets see what kind of participation , input, and cooperation we get out of this- and this maybe a strong foundation for understanding what Porsche may already understand about persuing a rebuild on this model.
09-04-2003, 04:51 PM
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Greg:
Well said! You should post this on the same thread running on the 996 forum.
Things are looking far too in-bred at the dealer these days. Porsche needs to spice up their line up with something more than Boxster's and Cayenne's.
Well said! You should post this on the same thread running on the 996 forum.
Things are looking far too in-bred at the dealer these days. Porsche needs to spice up their line up with something more than Boxster's and Cayenne's.
