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Old 05-21-2014, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by whatudrivin View Post
P... I haven't seen a post yet that points to you understanding(granted you may in fact understand, I just haven't seen it) that the more expensive relay is a genuine Porsche replacement and the $7 one is a generic replacement. You should know that the Porsche part is going to be a lot more than an aftermarket alternative. And I have seen other post screen shots showing both side by side showing this.
Hey I do understand.
Porsche didn't make the relay.
They bought it from someone who did.
The genuine porsche item may have been made by the same company who made the replacement. Of course it could have also been made in China like our iPhone.
Actually, having seen the inside of a failed relay, noting the fine mist of white corrosion that forms to degrade the piece, I hope whoever has those 30+ year old original pieces has stored them in a nice dry location with low humidity.

best to ya, not disagreeing with your points,

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"This is a buyer beware and share the good price posting.
Checking with the previous postings I see a notice where someone said they are charging something like $104 for this same part (back in 2010).
So now it's 2014 and the price is raised to $123. This is no typo, they know what they're doing and I take issue with it.
It's their business what they want to charge, and they know what they are charging. I take issue with the business ethics, namely becuase in my business I have to live under a code of ethics or face civil penalties, and I am more sensitive to this sort of thing.

When I did the search initially I first found the $123 relay and thought, "oh NO" I can't afford that. Now that I was driving around with open windows, laughing at the fact that i only spent $14 for two of em, makes me wonder just what kind of poor guy buys one for $123, and what kind of a rationalization would someone have to defend that kind of a price unless they were in an associated parts sale business. From the consumer point of view, as a guy who is trying to maintain his own cars and there-by SUPPORT THE 928 after-market industry, I take offense to someone trying to charge that to me or you for that matter, for that kind of money. "

928 Specialists sells both the aftermarket relay and the factory relay, and clearly says so on the website. This has been pointed out to you several times in this thread. As also has been pointed out, some owners want the factory parts, regardless of price, and that is their option. Providing those parts is not dishonest, unethical or wrong, regardless of your opinion and your insults..
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Any thing with 'Porsche' on it will cost you money..... as a bit of an 'off topic' to demonstrate this, there is a story in our Daily Mail regarding a guy who borrowed a friends Cayenne for the weekend. To thank her he filled the tank for her......unfortunately using Petrol instead of Diesel. He contacted a local OPC and was told it would cost over ú14000.00. to fix. He then had it fixed for about ú1500.00 by another garage. Google to find the full story, and make your own mind up regarding the fix.
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As a personal experience, i have dealt with all of the Three main parts suppliers, and have found them all to be very honest and open. All have without fail given me the option of a non 'Porsche' part, over making more profit on an origional, if they have the experience of the part being both fit for purpose and value for money. Reputable vendors do not want to create hassle by selling inferior parts for either them or you. Remember also that they are INVALUBLE resorces for the community and should be supported. If you don't we will all be buying parts direct from Porsche...at retail prices!!
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Old 05-21-2014, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by WallyP View Post
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928 Specialists sells both the aftermarket relay and the factory relay, and clearly says so on the website. This has been pointed out to you several times in this thread. As also has been pointed out, some owners want the factory parts, regardless of price, and that is their option. Providing those parts is not dishonest, unethical or wrong, regardless of your opinion and your insults..
Wally,

Respectfully, from correspondence we've had as far as ten years ago, I respect you and your commentary, however, Houston, we may have a problem.



When I check all of your other listings I see the OEM and the Genuine part listed, with a vast price difference and that is forthright.

However, the only one I checked into was the one that was for my 1983 S, and both parts are listed at $123.

THAT is why I took issue. If it is a mistake, you should have your guys fix your web site. If 928 Specialists is intentionally charging $123 for the OEM and Genuine, then I guess I still have an issue with that.

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OP wrote: "I find it unsettling that some of the 928 supply outlets are charging over $120 more for an electric window relay than the one I just purchased from a reputable source. "

There is a world of difference between "charging" and "offering".
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P- The search result I posted in post #27 of this thread is taken directly from the 928GT website, and is a search I did two days ago. Go to the website and do a part number search using 928 615 116 00 and I promise you that both the OEM and the Porsche versions of the relays will appear.

It may be useful for you to download the following relay chart, which will point out that the 928 615 116 00 is also used in '78 and '79 928's as a headlight relay motor. The great irony here is that the source info for this chart I edited a little is taken from the 928GT website. If you invest a little time in using the information that your 928 parts vendors have provided for you, you may develop some appreciation for their efforts on your behalf.

Here it is as a searchable Excel file, and the same chart as a picture:

https://webfiles.uci.edu/redwards/pu...2012-3-12.xlsx



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Originally Posted by Kevin in Atlanta View Post
OP wrote: "I find it unsettling that some of the 928 supply outlets are charging over $120 more for an electric window relay than the one I just purchased from a reputable source. "

There is a world of difference between "charging" and "offering".
Yeah Kevin, kinda like arguing the meaning of the word "is"





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Originally Posted by Rob Edwards View Post
P- The search result I posted in post #27 of this thread is taken directly from the 928GT website, and is a search I did two days ago. Go to the website and do a part number search using 928 615 116 00 and I promise you that both the OEM and the Porsche versions of the relays will appear.

It may be useful for you to download the following relay chart, which will point out that the 928 615 116 00 is also used in '78 and '79 928's as a headlight relay motor. The great irony here is that the source info for this chart I edited a little is taken from the 928GT website. If you invest a little time in using the information that your 928 parts vendors have provided for you, you may develop some appreciation for their efforts on your behalf.
Thanks Rob, perhaps there are postings passing each other in cyberspace, but the only relay offered for the 1983 US car is $123, as both the Genuine and OEM prices are the same. If this is a typo, it needs to be fixed on the 928GT site, otherwise, it is the reason for this posting in the first place which is: "no choice here other than to spend $123".

Anyway, enough, we'll see if Wally says it's a typo or whatver. In any case if you are on a budget, it pays to shop around.

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Hopefully we'll hear from Specialists this is a typo.

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Got it- I'll stick my neck out and say it's a typo but it's not my website.

BTW, this is why Roger's website sucks, on purpose.
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Originally Posted by ...P View Post
Hopefully we'll hear from Specialists this is a typo.


...p,

I have one question for you. This "screen cap" you keep posting showing the relays along with the price (in red) and those check marks....

Is that an unmodified screen cap directly from my website or has it been altered? I built this website myself and in over a decade I have never seen prices like those you show displayed in a search result like you have posted.

If it is "unmodified" please post the link as to how you made it give prices on a search page....oh and how it also put matching red check marks...that is a new one on me too!

In the mean time I will continue to see if I can recreate what you are describing or trying to describe as a "typo", or worse "crookery" :-(

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...p,

I have one question for you. This "screen cap" you keep posting showing the relays along with the price (in red) and those check marks....

Is that an unmodified screen cap directly from my website or has it been altered? I built this website myself and in over a decade I have never seen prices like those you show displayed in a search result like you have posted.

If it is "unmodified" please post the link as to how you made it give prices on a search page....oh and how it also put matching red check marks...that is a new one on me too!

In the mean time I will continue to see if I can recreate what you are describing or trying to describe as a "typo", or worse "crookery" :-(

Cheers,

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Hi Dave,

Go to the web site, type in "relay", and up comes the long listing of relays for Euro, US, and all the models.

Scroll down looking for window relay, or window winder, for the 1981-1984 car. When you click on either the OEM or the Genuine Porsche, both prices that come up are $123, no red marks or check marks.

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Wow, you must be an engineer with all that useless anality.
Hope you're not a Vol.
If so, I'll denounce.

Too bad you don't understand the context of what you are doing. But that would take a little bit of 3 dimensional thinking and a deeper connection with the 928 community which you haven't apparently achieved in 9 years.

In layman terms, there is being right and being dead (stupid)- right.
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Originally Posted by ...P View Post
Hi Dave,

Go to the web site, type in "relay", and up comes the long listing of relays for Euro, US, and all the models.

Scroll down looking for window relay, or window winder, for the 1981-1984 car. When you click on either the OEM or the Genuine Porsche, both prices that come up are $123, no red marks or check marks.

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I am trying nail down how you got the system to display the prices on the search page result.

It would really help me to avoid chasing ghosts if you will just clearly answer if the screen cap you posted with those prices....did the website display those or did you add those prices on the screen cap.

It's really a yes or no answer, either you put those prices over the screen cap or the website did?

BTW, I think Jeannie has found one glitch and fixed it, but even with that there is no place that can be found the has the Relay listed as OEM with the higher Genuine price.

I still need to know how you got your screen cap of the search page showing those prices.

Thanks in advacne,

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