DKWalser

No, Sean, that's NOT want I'm saying. I don't know Z from Adam and I'm going to assume he's honest and has the best of intentions. Okay? However, his hinting at hidden knowledge of something wrong with the car has the potential to harm both potential buyers and the seller.

Suppose you owned a 928 that you wanted to sell. Somewhere in the car's past, Z had the chance to drive the car and became convinced that something was seriously wrong with it. Before offering it for sale, you found and fixed an innocuous problem that had produced the symptoms that caused Z to believe (wrongly) something was seriously wrong. Good news, right? Only, when you advertise the 928 for sale, Z tells everyone the car has serious issues (but he won't say what they are). I'm interested in the car and would buy it for a fair price, but hearing of Z's (unfounded, but sincerely held) concerns, I look elsewhere.

Or, perhaps Z's reasons for warning to stay away from the 928 are not reasons I would share. Say, the original transmission was swapped for a rebuilt tranny and Z would stay away because the transmission is not original to the car. I'm not looking for a numbers matching car and you're not asking a price such a car would command, so I'm willing to pay your price -- but Z won't tell us what his concerns are, so I look elsewhere.

In my hypothetical, how were either of us helped by Z's "little warning"? Because Z's being mum on the exact nature of his concerns, you can't tell me how you cured the symptoms. Because he's only dropping hints, I cannot evaluate whether his views match my own. Either way, you miss out on a sale and I miss out on 928 I would have enjoyed. Z's warning didn't prevent me from being screwed in a deal with you; he screwed us both.

Of course, Z's concerns about the car being sold on ebay (the real car, not the one in my hypothetical) might be fully justified. Perhaps Z knows information that the seller is unwilling to share with prospective buyers. Or, maybe Z believes the seller is unethical. In my short time on Rennlist, I've witnessed a few flame wars. I'll hope you'll forgive me if I suggest a couple of Canadians might hold a poor opinion of you. I also hope they'll forgive me if I were to suggest I'd ignore their warnings about dealing with you if all that prompted their views was the flame wars.

My point is we cannot tell if Z's warnings are helping potential buyers or not. None of us can evaluate how Z's concerns would affect our own buying decision without knowing what those concerns are. All I know is I would stay away from the car (assuming I were in the market, which I'm not).

Ducman82

or he does not want the car to sell so he can pick it up a a lower price later... :-P he he

SeanR

If I were in the market and saw Z's post, I would look in to it more and would thank Z for doing exactly what he's done. Would I want more info? Hell yes and if the owner was not forthright in his communications I'd not consider his car.

I'd say at this moment in time, it's up to the seller to come out and answer some questions if he wants to sell it to anyone that looks at this place, it's too bad there are thousands of people who buy only to find this forum after the fact.

Good discussion and sorry if I took your post the wrong way.

Z

The same thing happened to me. I wasn't involved in a lawsuit, but an email account was hacked, e-mails were deleted, and the password for the e-mail account was also changed. I use several different e-mail addresses for different purposes. The only one that this occurred with was one used for this forum. What a weird coincidence.

Correct. I did not make any allegations, and I'm not going to.

I do want to say that I wouldn't have any concerns about the actual engine rebuild, or the quality of it's assembly, back at the time that it was done. That's my personal opinion, based solely on knowing who did it. That's the engine rebuild that occurred in early 2010 that I'm talking about. I don't kow if any others besides that one have ever been done or not. I'm not going to comment on anything else other than that in regards to the car though.

Nope. Nobody has to worry about me bidding against them on it, or me trying to buy it otherwise either.

RichieTok

Hello Everyone, I see my car has caused problems with the Rennlist user's.

First of all Thank You jkill1029 for letting me know whats going on Rennlist.

I am on here to clear the air.

1) I should of let the user's of Rennlist know what i was doing putting my car on e-bay

2) Everthing that was describing the vehicle and everything that was added or done to the vehicle is True! Except for the FACT the front fuel line let loose and i had to replace the upper and lower wiring harnesses and all vacuum lines and breather hose's. I had a problem starting it and it turned out it was a loose connection by the MAF. The car is running and i am VERY HAPPY!

3) The ONLY reason i put the car on e-bay was to show the insurance co what the car is really worth in the open market. I fixed the car with my own money and time because the insurance co low balled the cars value and wants to write a check and scrap the car well i didn't want to see that happen. I set the reserve very high on e-bay so nobody except a wealthy Nigerien would be able to buy it.

I am VERY SORRY for ALL OF the Confusion this caused!

4) I will be re listing my car today so if anybody would like to bid on it but not to buy it! but to show what the car is really worth before the incident with the fuel line it would be GREATLY APPRECIATED!

Thank You
Rich

rnixon

I appreciate the difficult position that you're in with the insurance company, but I'd think twice about doing that. If the people bidding are not actually willing to part with the cash, then it doesn't prove anything (or worse).

hacker-pschorr

+1 - this is NOT going to end well....

On top of that, I have never heard of any insurance company using eBay as a valuation point.

So unless you have in writing they will agree to the eBay auction results, this is a complete waste of time.

Your adjuster wasn't born yesterday.

James Bailey

One MILLIIIOOONNN DOLLARS .....

whatudrivin

RichieTok

In the beginning the adjuster was accepting listings from cars.com, autotrader and e-bay as a price point now we agreed to a appraisal one from his pool and if i am not happy with the evaluation then i would hire a appraisal co to see what they come up with. Bottom line is the Insurance Co's take your money but they HATE to open the check book to pay Fair Market Value!

rnixon

Stick with it and you should get somewhere - too many people give-in easily, so they try it on. Good luck!

Chalkboss

I have had experience dealing with insurance companies regarding paying for repairs and valuations. The best advice, given above, is don't give up easily. I believe most people cave in when insurance tells them "that's all we will do for you" and that is how they conduct the majority of transactions with their customers. Don't fall for it. Keep stringing them along. In each case I have come out ahead (at least not taking a bath like they want you to) by being stubborn and sticking to my guns.

SteveG

So it is listed twice, but not for sale either time? Sounds like a shilling of a different color.

The Forgotten On

I had to go after an insurance company for two months before they would pay out. Keep on pushing, at one point they will have have to budge.

Pappy

So my bid of 4k had no shot?