Innovate LC-2 Opinions
12-06-2013, 05:46 PM
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Innovate LC-2 Opinions
I'm thinking about getting an Innovate LC-2 unit (with a G5 gauge) in order to set the AFR on my Euro, anyone have experience with this system, opinions, other suggestions?
http://innovatemotorsports.com/products/lc2.php
http://innovatemotorsports.com/products/g5_gauge.php
http://innovatemotorsports.com/products/lc2.php
http://innovatemotorsports.com/products/g5_gauge.php
12-06-2013, 06:33 PM
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I have the Innovate LC2 w/ the Digital gauge been running it w/o issues for over three years. Innovate has a lot of add-on's depending on how far you want/need to go. I mounted the LC2 under the car.
I'm also looking at but haven't installed it yet the AEM, it's is a stand alone unit and can also do logging via serial output. By Stand-Alone I mean there is only a gauge and a Wide band O2, no controller. May be all you need.
I'm also looking at but haven't installed it yet the AEM, it's is a stand alone unit and can also do logging via serial output. By Stand-Alone I mean there is only a gauge and a Wide band O2, no controller. May be all you need.
12-06-2013, 07:13 PM
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As I understand it the LC-2 has superceded the LC-1, and the my reasoning for going to the LC-2 instead of a stand-alone system as Davek9 mentions is for an additional $60 I would have the ability to expand the system (don't ask me what for) and to datalog, which I'm not sure if I need but looks pretty cool
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12-06-2013, 09:47 PM
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Ive been using the Innovate products for about 8yrs or so now. Never an issue. I have the LC1..LM3..and the TC4(for thermo couple logging). Always worked as advertised. The Sharktuner has pretty much made the data logging aspect of them a non player. The TC4 was pretty cool to play with when looking at outlet temps on the supercharger and intercooler ..etc.
With the correct thermocouple you could get extremely accurate EGT readings.
I like the "analog display" they have now....sometimes the digital one with the LEDs and the number display are too busy to look at...and the numbers change so quickly its hard to read at a quick glance.
With the correct thermocouple you could get extremely accurate EGT readings.
I like the "analog display" they have now....sometimes the digital one with the LEDs and the number display are too busy to look at...and the numbers change so quickly its hard to read at a quick glance.
12-07-2013, 08:00 AM
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Ive been using the Innovate products for about 8yrs or so now. Never an issue. I have the LC1..LM3..and the TC4(for thermo couple logging). Always worked as advertised. The Sharktuner has pretty much made the data logging aspect of them a non player. The TC4 was pretty cool to play with when looking at outlet temps on the supercharger and intercooler ..etc.
With the correct thermocouple you could get extremely accurate EGT readings.
I like the "analog display" they have now....sometimes the digital one with the LEDs and the number display are too busy to look at...and the numbers change so quickly its hard to read at a quick glance.
With the correct thermocouple you could get extremely accurate EGT readings.
I like the "analog display" they have now....sometimes the digital one with the LEDs and the number display are too busy to look at...and the numbers change so quickly its hard to read at a quick glance.
Oh... And this is less busy?
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12-08-2013, 06:16 PM
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wideband results
Just my $0.02 here.....
I have found that unless you use a professional grade wideband controller, you will have erroneous readings on your AFR/Lambda values logged by the sensor.
The reason is that the controller will not react fast enough, nor be able to compensate for the current drift in the nernst cell in the O2 sensor. (In other words, the controller will display a value that will not correspond accurately to what the sensor is actually reading). Further, the sensor itself should be calibrated in a Lab for a baseline to tell the controller the compensation for the sensor cell drift, or it should be free air calibrated properly so the controller can again properly compensate for the cell drift.
I did some research, and some validation with an Innovate LC unit and my Motec PLM, and there was a difference with the values displayed (10%), same engine, same exhaust, same model sensor. (Bosch LSU 4).... I didn't take pics of the displayed values, which I wish I did....
Anyway, I am not saying that you should go out and buy a professional grade controller such as a Horiba, ECM, Motec, Pectel etc.. According to one engineer's opinion in the industry, AFX was recommended as well as PLM. AFX is sold by NGK. NGK also makes the NTK L1H1 pro grade sensor, and I believe the software and controller of the AFX unit is made by ECM, who do professional grade measurement equipment for automakers and labs.. The AFX unit is not a high grade professional setup, but is supposed to be pretty decent for enthusiast use and I believe about $300.
For a stock 928 engine it may not matter if you have a professional grade setup, as it is running batch fire with the LH, and the LH only sees a narrowband signal.
However, with a high output engine that is boosted or high compression, it may make a world of difference between engine living and engine dying.
As far as the actual wideband sensors go, many prefer Bosch (LSU XX etc.), but a few of the professionals I spoke to prefer the NTK sensor, as the reaction time is a little bit faster.. (I have a Bosch as it came with the Motec PLM I bought.. Plan on trying the NTK sensor once I get everything setup in the car.)
Again, just my $0.02
Best of luck with the results!
I have found that unless you use a professional grade wideband controller, you will have erroneous readings on your AFR/Lambda values logged by the sensor.
The reason is that the controller will not react fast enough, nor be able to compensate for the current drift in the nernst cell in the O2 sensor. (In other words, the controller will display a value that will not correspond accurately to what the sensor is actually reading). Further, the sensor itself should be calibrated in a Lab for a baseline to tell the controller the compensation for the sensor cell drift, or it should be free air calibrated properly so the controller can again properly compensate for the cell drift.
I did some research, and some validation with an Innovate LC unit and my Motec PLM, and there was a difference with the values displayed (10%), same engine, same exhaust, same model sensor. (Bosch LSU 4).... I didn't take pics of the displayed values, which I wish I did....
Anyway, I am not saying that you should go out and buy a professional grade controller such as a Horiba, ECM, Motec, Pectel etc.. According to one engineer's opinion in the industry, AFX was recommended as well as PLM. AFX is sold by NGK. NGK also makes the NTK L1H1 pro grade sensor, and I believe the software and controller of the AFX unit is made by ECM, who do professional grade measurement equipment for automakers and labs.. The AFX unit is not a high grade professional setup, but is supposed to be pretty decent for enthusiast use and I believe about $300.
For a stock 928 engine it may not matter if you have a professional grade setup, as it is running batch fire with the LH, and the LH only sees a narrowband signal.
However, with a high output engine that is boosted or high compression, it may make a world of difference between engine living and engine dying.
As far as the actual wideband sensors go, many prefer Bosch (LSU XX etc.), but a few of the professionals I spoke to prefer the NTK sensor, as the reaction time is a little bit faster.. (I have a Bosch as it came with the Motec PLM I bought.. Plan on trying the NTK sensor once I get everything setup in the car.)
Again, just my $0.02
Best of luck with the results!
