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Old 04-05-2014, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Hilton
A local guy who parts out wrecked 928's told me he doesn't cut the seals.

He uses a toothpick to lift the seal edge and spray lube in around the seal, then pushes it out from the inside using a padded block and bottle jack, and a helper to grab the edge of the glass once it pops out of the seal at one edge.

I intend to try this as the rear seals on my 89 are in good shape, but I have a telltale spot of rust at the bottom rear corner peeking out from under a seal.
Mine were original and sealed in place. They were not coming out without breaking the glass. Now i can pop them in and out easily.

I never like spraying lube when i know painting will be done,

I don't see how any lube would loosen the factory applied sealant??

Anyway Andy,

It would be beneficial to the car to stabilize those bubbles because they will really accelerate the corrosion. They are trapping moisture.

It would be better to simply scrape the bubble off so air can dry it.

Temporary 1 day's work solution:

Pop the windows out (sounds like they were already out in past)

Carefully scrape off the bubbling paint

Use NAVAL JELLY to remove the rust,

Touch up brush in decent primer (2-part good stuff i mentioned, Krylon is crap)

Buy Porsche Touch Up Paint to hide the repair at 10 feet.

This will buy you a lot of time (years) til ready to tackle it right.

If you let this go you'll have pitting in the channel that will require a major effort.
Old 04-06-2014, 06:07 PM
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Woah that sounds easier to do now. At least it will buy me some time before sinking more money into the cosmetics.

I layered touch up and wet sanded it with real good results. I may try that.
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Yikes, naval jelly from what I read can dissolve paint too. Is there a less risky product for the dissolution in that area? What about something from Eastwood, like Rust Encapsulator or their dissolver? How about using a rust converter in addition to epoxy primer layered over it?

I also have a wire wheel I was planning on using to scrape the rust down. How about doing that and then applying a rust dissolver on the residual, followed by epoxy primer?

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Originally Posted by Mongo
Yikes, naval jelly from what I read can dissolve paint too. Is there a less risky product for the dissolution in that area? What about something from Eastwood, like Rust Encapsulator or their dissolver? How about using a rust converter in addition to epoxy primer layered over it?

I also have a wire wheel I was planning on using to scrape the rust down. How about doing that and then applying a rust dissolver on the residual, followed by epoxy primer?
Naval jelly will not harm the paint around the bubble if it were to drip.

Mask the car in that area around your paint bubble if you are concerned.

Use a tiny coarse wire wheel on a dremel tool to prep pitted areas for Naval jelly.

Then use a toothbrush to really work the Naval jelly into the rust pitting.
Then allow to sit and chemically react for at least 10 minutes. Wire wheel and repeat with jelly, etc.

With a damp sponge remove used Naval jelly and repeat. I used to do it 3 times.

Metal should be now prepped with Xylene or Laquer thinner for painting.

With touch up brush paint in epoxy primer, allow 2 hours and touch up
with your Porsche red touch up.

Allow 24 hours minimum before re installing quarter window glass.

This fix will last until the baby is walking and talking, maybe even talking back.
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You need to strip the paint off before any rust converters. naval jellies, wire wheels, etc. can do anything serious about the rust. The window MUST come out so you can get to the important part of the job, the corroded window frame area.


Edit: ^^^ What he said. ^^^
Old 04-06-2014, 11:28 PM
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Simple enough. The PITA part is taking the glass out.
Old 04-07-2014, 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by The Fixer
Mine were original and sealed in place. They were not coming out without breaking the glass. Now i can pop them in and out easily.
You can pry out 928 quarter windows with a crowbar and not break them. I've done it before. Several times. Successfully.
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Originally Posted by JHowell37
You can pry out 928 quarter windows with a crowbar and not break them. I've done it before. Several times. Successfully.
I didn't even think to post your restoration when Andy asked what "horrific" would look like.

But I should have! Not everyone finds out their 928 has been repaired with 40lbs of bondo and drywall screws, and then goes on to fix it properly
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Originally Posted by upstate bob
@dr Bob, can't argue with your reasoning, just don't like to see the word "bondo" in repair methods. Since I hail from a place much better known for rust (Rochester,NY) than sunny Glendale, I do know a few little things about what works well enuff for reasonable success. ...
Originally Posted by dr bob
I hail from down the road from you a piece. Born in Ithaca, of parents in grad school there. ... My little 356 cab suffered through the summer humidity and the winter cold for a couple years there before I convinced it to migrate west. Just a couple seasons, even with no winter driving at all, started the rust devils to work on it....)
If you haven't experienced the level of salt on the roads in Central NY you probably wouldn't believe it, and what it does to cars. The location of the western hemisphere's deepest salt mine, right north of Ithaca, explains why they use so much - it's cheap! (Ithaca/Trumansburg for 30 years before getting smart enough to move back to VA.) Makes any car person who has lived around there very paranoid about corrosion on their vehicles.
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As a fellow Rochesterian Rustbelter, I agree, gotta take the glass out, mine poked perfect until we got em out them saw lots of bubbles in there. Have to expect it in a place that goes from 85 and humid to 5 deg within a month or two. Martin , you were smart to go!!!
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Matt- looks like your paint job is coming along. Post some pics when it's all done!



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