88 S4 A/C and more questions
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Go grab some of that foaming condenser cleaner from Home Depot, spray it in the space between the blower motor and the evaporator housing. Located under the window cowl. Let it sit then either take a spray bottle or the garden hose and wash it away. Don't spray the crap out of it, but be gentle. Look under the car and see if you have a steady stream of water coming out right in the middle and if so, the drain is nice and clear.
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Looked the job up in all data and it said to remove the hood. Was going to come back and ask Sean if this was the case but then found this thread : https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...leaning-3.html
Excellent thread!
Excellent thread!
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I bought some of the coil cleaner and was able to spray down the evaporator and condenser , wash it down. it helped considerably with the air movement but not with cooling. I still thing that the expansion valve is bad but I did not have my R12 gauges on me to test.
It was really filthy down behind the fake firewall so I blew it out and hosed it down.
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While I was at it, I thought I would take the effort to spray down the engine bay with degreaser and then wash it down. For some odd reason, the degreaser turned my valve covers from silver to an Austin Allegro beige.
Oh well. Onwards and upwards.
It was really filthy down behind the fake firewall so I blew it out and hosed it down.
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While I was at it, I thought I would take the effort to spray down the engine bay with degreaser and then wash it down. For some odd reason, the degreaser turned my valve covers from silver to an Austin Allegro beige.
Oh well. Onwards and upwards.
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Drain is for the most part clear. I ran the hose for a while and got a little bit of water inside the car. Given then volume that I was pushing through, this was nothing to be concerned about, although I'll blow the lines out next time the car is on the lift.
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By the time the paint gets to this stage, there's a separate but related need to replace the hoses and sensors under the intake, the seals and rubbing blocks under the cam covers anyway.
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Quick update on this. I pulled the air cleaner assembly in order to get to the vacuum line to the heater valve but i could not really feel any vacuum, I don't know if that's me the line as the line is very thin.
I can say that the system definitely has a/c because the steel lines above the heater valve are ice cold.
I don't think that the issue is the heater valve however for the following reasons.
1) When the engine is cold and just started, the front a/c unit still blows warm air (it's around 95 degrees outside these days).
2) If I let the car warm up and then turn the heating on, it does blow warmer air out of the vents until I dial it back down again.
3) The rear a/c blows cold.
I'm wondering if there is a vacuum operated door that directs air from either the heater core or evaporator core and how to access it for diagnoses.
The 928 specialist site indicates that that's a yellow vacuum line to splice into however I did not see any vacuum with that color under the hood.
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I can say that the system definitely has a/c because the steel lines above the heater valve are ice cold.
I don't think that the issue is the heater valve however for the following reasons.
1) When the engine is cold and just started, the front a/c unit still blows warm air (it's around 95 degrees outside these days).
2) If I let the car warm up and then turn the heating on, it does blow warmer air out of the vents until I dial it back down again.
3) The rear a/c blows cold.
I'm wondering if there is a vacuum operated door that directs air from either the heater core or evaporator core and how to access it for diagnoses.
The 928 specialist site indicates that that's a yellow vacuum line to splice into however I did not see any vacuum with that color under the hood.
Thanks
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Quick update on this. I pulled the air cleaner assembly in order to get to the vacuum line to the heater valve but i could not really feel any vacuum, I don't know if that's me the line as the line is very thin.
You should 'feel' vacuum at the thin hard line to the heater valve. You need to get a MityVac on it to measure and confirm.
I can say that the system definitely has a/c because the steel lines above the heater valve are ice cold.
That means the system is charged with refrigerant, but you can still have warm air coming through the vents if your vacuum/heater valve is off its game.
I don't think that the issue is the heater valve however for the following reasons.
1) When the engine is cold and just started, the front a/c unit still blows warm air (it's around 95 degrees outside these days).
The default position for the heater valve is open to let fluid through. When switching temp slider to cold it will take several seconds for the setting motor to dial up and shut the valve. If you even have ambient temperature coolant flowing through, the front air will not be 'AC cold'.
2) If I let the car warm up and then turn the heating on, it does blow warmer air out of the vents until I dial it back down again.
3) The rear a/c blows cold.
This confirms you are charged as the rear evaporator cooling function is independent of the heater valve.
I'm wondering if there is a vacuum operated door that directs air from either the heater core or evaporator core and how to access it for diagnoses.
The 928 specialist site indicates that that's a yellow vacuum line to splice into however I did not see any vacuum with that color under the hood.
Thanks
You should 'feel' vacuum at the thin hard line to the heater valve. You need to get a MityVac on it to measure and confirm.
I can say that the system definitely has a/c because the steel lines above the heater valve are ice cold.
That means the system is charged with refrigerant, but you can still have warm air coming through the vents if your vacuum/heater valve is off its game.
I don't think that the issue is the heater valve however for the following reasons.
1) When the engine is cold and just started, the front a/c unit still blows warm air (it's around 95 degrees outside these days).
The default position for the heater valve is open to let fluid through. When switching temp slider to cold it will take several seconds for the setting motor to dial up and shut the valve. If you even have ambient temperature coolant flowing through, the front air will not be 'AC cold'.
2) If I let the car warm up and then turn the heating on, it does blow warmer air out of the vents until I dial it back down again.
3) The rear a/c blows cold.
This confirms you are charged as the rear evaporator cooling function is independent of the heater valve.
I'm wondering if there is a vacuum operated door that directs air from either the heater core or evaporator core and how to access it for diagnoses.
The 928 specialist site indicates that that's a yellow vacuum line to splice into however I did not see any vacuum with that color under the hood.
Thanks
Also is your heater valve attached in the right orientation ?
The black face should be facing the short hose.
Also check your heater valve. Does it hold vacuum ?
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Will see if I can get a vacuum gauge on that line. Heater valve looks original and untouched for many years so I assume it is mounted correctly, but I cannot remember exact orientation right now.
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With the engine off (no vacuum) the valve defaults to open. So another quick fix/test is to zip tie it closed and see if that works. If it doesn't, then the valve is leaking coolant; if it does the valve is either not receiving vacuum or not holding it.
Honestly, a new heater valve cost less than a vacuum tester and they all go bad... the valves that is. I'd replace the $15 valve first and then troubleshoot vacuum if that doesn't fix it.
Honestly, a new heater valve cost less than a vacuum tester and they all go bad... the valves that is. I'd replace the $15 valve first and then troubleshoot vacuum if that doesn't fix it.
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And I'd tie even a new valve closed for the remaining duration of AC season. I don't have a picture, but I drilled a small hole in the plastic frame so I could pass a small wire tie through and around the actuator arm.
We had a very mild summer until early August, so I didn't bother with the tie. Then a few high-90's days reminded me that it was time. The valve works fine, but when the engine is off the valve relaxes to open position, and theres convective flow from the engine up through the heater core. So a warm restart includes removing all the heat that migrated up from the engine, all the heat accumulated in the car while it was parked, etc, before you start feeling cool again. The wire tie trick saves ten to fifteen minutes off that cooling cycle, it seems. Probably less, but miserable hot minutes seem to drag on longer than sixty seconds.
We had a very mild summer until early August, so I didn't bother with the tie. Then a few high-90's days reminded me that it was time. The valve works fine, but when the engine is off the valve relaxes to open position, and theres convective flow from the engine up through the heater core. So a warm restart includes removing all the heat that migrated up from the engine, all the heat accumulated in the car while it was parked, etc, before you start feeling cool again. The wire tie trick saves ten to fifteen minutes off that cooling cycle, it seems. Probably less, but miserable hot minutes seem to drag on longer than sixty seconds.
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Thanks, I have a vacuum gauge lying around and have no objection to getting a new heater valve. I'm just wondering if there is a heater door behind the dash that would switch between the a/c and heater core.
I'll check tonight or tomorrow and report back. Thank you all for your input.
I'll check tonight or tomorrow and report back. Thank you all for your input.
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It may still be leaking/passing water on the inside (bad seal). You have test it of the car close it and try to blow through the water in port to see if it stops you from blowing any air by the inside seal (the same for any water flowing through)